Attempted murder charges filed...

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by firebug24k, May 20, 2013.

  1. eatpasta

    eatpasta Lawnmower Target

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    I really feel for the kid.....he/she's just in the middle of all this.... and perhaps better off in another home that doesnt endanger children for fun out on the freeway?
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  2. spezjag

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    No way, they should throw the (picture) book at him - he's not talking, so is obviously part of the cover-up.
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  3. eatpasta

    eatpasta Lawnmower Target

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    he's been trained up eh.....thats bad
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    I'll play a little bit of Devil's advocate here and say that I don't really blame the woman for not talking to the press. "No comment" would have been vastly more appropriate than making up all those silly excuses, but were I in her position, I definitely wouldn't be shooting my mouth off to any reporters at that point.

    "Accessory to Attempted Murder" is a very serious charge and saying the wrong thing to a reporter could result in such charges, or others. I certainly am not advocating lying to an officer or covering up for someone, which also would likely result in charges, but I wouldn't just start spewing my mouth off to some reporter who could very likely take my remarks out of context or any number of other things. She may be also under a very real danger of having Child Protective Services remove her child from her custody, (assuming the child is hers.)


    Were it me, I would give a short and sparse, but accurate report to the responding officer, but would want to consult with an attorney before making a detailed statement and would want one present for questioning. I would never lie, but I certainly would not want to be tricked into giving up my right not to offer evidence that would incriminate myself.

    Furthermore, while I don't know her relationship to the man in the car, we also have the right not to offer evidence that would incriminate our spouse. I am not saying that I might not, at some point in the process, decide it's the right thing to do (offer evidence that would incriminate myself or my spouse), I just would want to make sure I knew exactly what I was doing and what the legal implications would be before I decided to give up my fifth amendment rights.

    The idea that dodging the questions of a reporter is an obstruction of justice is quite frankly, just silly. We have no idea what she said to the officers or for that matter what really even happened.
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  5. larryboy

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    Nope, google the article where a Honda Fit Sport beats down a Ducati Hypertard.
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  6. LuciferMutt

    LuciferMutt Rides slow bike slow

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    As usual, it really comes down to operator skill -- but four contact patches is always better than two when you need grip. Doesn't take too much in the way of suspension mods for a fairly sedate car to suddenly be able to corner faster than a motorcycle -- and if you have no straights to make up the difference, well...
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  7. shaddix

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    But motorcycle tires are usually far stickier than a car tire and have much higher friction with the road surface. I just can't believe a stock car will outcorner a stock GS unless the car is an s2000 or a vette for example(which also should come with stickier tires)
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  9. windmill

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    I'm curious as to what instigated the incident.

    Did the rider do something questionable? Was it the riders reaction to the driver doing something questionable? Was the rider simply obeying the law and riding his own ride?

    What motivated the driver to hit them?
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    All good information and theories, but there's one aspect I think was missed (unless I missed it in the other comments).

    If the guy has that much of an anger problem that he would purposely wreck a motorcycle, she's almost certainly in an abusive relationship. It's amazing how compliant the victim of abuse can be, almost like a form of Stockholm Syndrome. I've witnessed this many times in friends' relationships. Someone goes.from being headstrong and opinionated to meek and accepting. Even moreso with a child involved.
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    I think many of these road rage incidents result from perceived or actual intrusions into another motorist's "territory". Things like tailgating, blocking lanes, cutting someone off.

    I once pissed a guy off with a fast pass (in my car) without even intruding into his space.
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    First of all I've been keeping up with this thread and agree with just about everyone in that this guy at the very least needs to lose his license if not permanently, then at least for a few years and have proof that he has been getting professional help in managing his anger. I've gotten pissed about idiots on the road but that doesn't give me the right to blatantly try to cause them to have an accident and possibly killing them. I just leave them be and talk myself.

    Honestly most stock sports cars can usually brake later, harder, and carry more corner speed than a bike (lets assume that both are using stock tires). There are a lot of factors at play but having much more rubber on the ground helps. Motorcycles tend to kick a cars ass accelerating out of the corners and their ability to make a nearly straight line through esses. Of course it would take a very good driver to brake as late and carry the speed that some are capable of. I remember reading an article a while back where they had telemetry of both a bike and a car on the same track. The bike destroyed the car, but only because it was much much faster accelerating from the corners.
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    That's a very good point, she may have been in fear for her life.
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    I've been hit three times by assholes in cars, one was drunk, one wasn't paying attention to anything, and the last one thought they had the right of way, and that's just on bicycles, motorcycles i've had them look at me and give me the finger for no apparent reason other than i was looking at them... WTF? assholes like that guy need to be beaten in public with a freakin tire iron..... hart goes out to the couple. looks like the girlfreind in the video was sticking with the i don't know, hope she doens't reproduce anymore...
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    Found this on another board:

    In 1990, Motorcyclist compared a Yamaha FZR 1000 to a Corvette ZR-1, with Nick Ienatsch doing the riding:
    Nick went out carefully, working slowly up to his own comfort level, not trying to push the Yamaha's tires very near their traction limits. Still, it was nerve racking to watch Nick grinding his knee pads down to nubbins on the 200ft-diameter circle. His best time translated to .75g.
    Contrast that .75 on an R1 (by one of the best riders) with the .81 Car & Driver got out of a 2009 Toyota Corolla XRS. Now, I know the XRS isn't a base model car, but still, it's a freaking Corolla.

    David B.
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  16. Rinty

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    This thread got me thinking about road rage in general, and I ended up doing some internet searches on the topic.

    I found a ton of information from different organizations, including technical academic articles.

    One site I looked at said that tailgating is the most common cause.
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  17. shaddix

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    That's good information! Had no idea the limit was that low for production bikes, would have expected 1g for sure.

    Remind me to stay far away from 45 degree lean angle hehe.
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  18. InsideThePerimeter

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    I've found that openly carrying a large handgun tends to change the behavior of potential road ragers even the mentally unstable seem to get it. It's also not that hard to learn to shoot off handed and it is regularly included in both IPSCA and USPSA matches.
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  19. hscrugby

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    It's not.


    http://m.sportrider.com/tech/146_1001_g_force_plot_motorcycle_chains/

    Bike go zoom zoom.

    That said, a good race car can out corner a modern sport bike, BUT the bike is so much smaller it can straighten out the curves enough to usually keep similar speeds.
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  20. corndog67

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    I take it that you'd pop a cap at someone in a car? Yeah. Right. You would go to prison, whether you were in the right or not.