Attempted murder charges filed...

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by firebug24k, May 20, 2013.

  1. ttpete

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    Correct. The difference is that on the flat, the car driver feels the lateral by being pulled sideways, while the bike rider feels it through the seat of his pants. On the banking, car and bike both feel the force through their backside at neutral speed.

    I've driven on the high speed oval at the Ford proving grounds, and if you're at the neutral speed for the lane you're in, you can run hands off all the way around.
  2. Veteran Noob

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    I'm curious how they arrived at that figure. I can't, with absolute certainty say there aren't any, but I'm not aware of an board data acquisition system that can measure lateral acceleration on a motorcycle (I would love to know if anybody out there is aware of one). Motorcycle lean causes lateral loads to register at or near zero. The only way I know to determine lateral a (on a motorcycle) is to calculate based on velocity and turn radius. I know that GPS based systems are used to do just that but people that I know that have used have told me that this is highly dependent on GPS accuracy, instantaneous lateral a is problematic and typically not very reliable, multiple runs are required to confirm results.
  3. shaddix

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    Dave moss videos on YouTube have something that measures the lateral acceleration. Why would it be so hard really? I mean you could just take a string and hang a weight from it and measure the angle the string makes as you go around a corner..
  4. firebug24k

    firebug24k Been here awhile

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  5. PalePhase

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    Yep. That's what my best friend reminded me when I first started riding: Don't let your ego ride pillion.:eek1
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    Yep, he has that deer-in-the-headlights stare. His life story, from what a quick Googling portrays, seems to be that of an insecure, overcompensating jerk, whose ego was tied to his car and how it and he were perceived. The biker flipping him off hit him where he lived, and thus his response to the denigration of all he was. My only question is, did he mean to actually hit the bike, or just intimidate the biker? Hard to see this type of person intentionally damaging the outward manifestation of his ego.

    He needs to lose his license, and his car, and compensate the victims fully. Let him ride the bus, or a bicycle. If, however, he intended to hit the bike, then lock him up for a long time. I'm sure a psychologist or profiler could give more insight as to whether he was just a reckless asshole or a true sociopath.
  8. MJS

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    Fixed. He made a deliberate swerve at the biker. Doesn't matter if he intended to scare or hit, the result was the same. He needs to face the consequence of his action which was him deliberately swerving at / into the rider. And the consequence needs to be proportional to the action. If he had swerved and ther had been no collision then maybe a reckless driving charge and appropriate fine would be justified. However in this case, the result of his action was much more grave and the charge (and punishment if found guilty) need to reflect that.

    Just my $.02
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    I think you mean swerved....:D
  10. PalePhase

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    Totally agree. Otherwise, his behavior is not going to change. Hell, it might not change until it kills him or somebody else takes care of that. But without the potential for consequences he's not willing to pay, nothing is going to change.

    Had a driver on my commute some years ago who used his car like a weapon to threaten other drivers. He would start by tailgating other drivers just inches off their bumpers, and then no matter which lane they were in, the moment the other driver tried to change lanes, he would cut them off in a full-throttle pass. If you didn't back off to let him have his way, he would try to run you off the road. Strange that on an otherwise heavily patrolled road that the cops never seemed to be around for his morning ritual of ten miles of terroristic behavior. What finally seemed to reign him in was when he was pulling that crap with me, and as it happened when he cut me off when I tried to change lanes was that a semi with trailer had just pulled out of a parking lot onto the road and had not yet gotten above a few mph. He was so fixated on trying to force me off the road he did not see the back of the trailer until the last possible moment and just managed to avoid driving up under it, which would likely have decapitated him at the speed he had been going. He cooled his jets for a few days after that and then I changed jobs and was no longer on the same commute route
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    Well, not the best move when totally defenseless on a bike ...
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    Yeah, blame the bike.
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    I don't think he is blaming the bike, but they had a part to play in this by putting themselves in that position.
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    When our daughter got her licence a few years ago, I advised her to not flip the bird, gesticulate, or stare at bad drivers, as you never know who is behind the wheel, and what their state of mind is; there are some rolling powder kegs out there.
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    Obviously, he had done something else to them just previous to that.
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    What establishing that 'the finger' was flown and witnessed does, however is preclude the defense from claiming it was all just a mistake, the driver never saw the motorcycle and the contact was 'an accident'. This was deliberate. He had motive. He was going to 'get' that guy that 'dissed' him.

    Hope he likes how this is all turning out. If he does not serve a long sentence in incarceration ( very likely he won't ) then at the VERY least this person ( can't quite call him a man ) needs to be BANNED from operating a car for a LONG time. He can have a moped.

    A pink one.
  17. ttpete

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    Because he purposely caused severe injuries, I'd venture that he's looking at maybe 10-15 years. It's significant that the charge is attempted murder rather than assault with a deadly weapon. I'd like to see him banned from driving for life. BMW drivers tend to drive like assholes. I try to stay away from them.
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    Per the article linked above, the only charge (so far) appears to be ADW.

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    That can change any time between now and the trial. They had to have something to hold him on.
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    Depends on how much you train shooting weak handed I suppose. As far as legal ramifications go, the whole point of ccw is self defense, it doesn't matter whether the assailant uses a 9mm or a BMW.