it's a tough place to live bro,,always has been,,boom and heyday with the big trees was winding down long ago. Coos Bay was at one time the largest exporter of logs in the world! Bye bye jobs! You cut the big trees and make the big money, then,,wait for ?????,,how long did it take for them big trees to grow?? who cares!,, we got ours! I have : cleared brush by hand and machine, ,planted trees, cut down trees, set chokers on trees, built fire trails around treeless logged scabs on the hillside, then, most of my machinist/welding exist-trance is based in wood products industry,,after 16 years here,, I am nearly as slow as I was when I started out,,it ain't you,,it's the sucky fucks you want to blame,,any frikken bunch of them. what you don't see,, because you don't have the history,, is the changes in the creeks and rivers since the trees lived there. It was HUGELY different in 1960's even,,de-nuded, raped, and abandoned since then,,Whorehauser,,International Raper, and the rest, made it . When I was 10,,there were cedar trees in the coast range so big that they were almost scary,,,to a 10 yr old! this is one of the hunfreds of stupid responses I have frikken deleted,,more killed than posted,, fuck it, post it,,only one beer left anyway!