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Discussion in 'Hacks' started by NortwestRider, Nov 25, 2012.
Looks like that rope puller deserves looking into. Thanks Mr. Cob.
Here's the ride report. Has pictures and video of the ride and recovery.
I do not want to in any way give the impression that an electric winch on a sidecar rig is a bad thing, its just that I have used the rope puller for so long and have used it in situations where I doubt an electric winch would have been able to be of much good use.
That said I have for years thought about installing an electric winch on my rig but didn't take the time or make the effort to do so in a way that I thought would make it a practical, easy to use tool for recovery purposes. I have done a lot of research since the ride where Jay and I worked together to make a quick, safe recovery. I have just ordered a winch that I think I can make work as I would like it to.
My plan is to build a receiver that is welded to the front and rear of the sidecar frame, the winch will be mounted on a plate with a stud that can be inserted and locked into either the front or rear receiver. The setup I have in mind will have permanent quick disconnect water proof electrical hookup's for the winch on both the front and rear receivers. This will allow the quick removal or installment of the winch on either end of the rig by simply pulling or inserting a retaining pin from the receiver, plugging or unplugging the power cord, at which point the winch would be ready to be put into use.
I can handle all the fabrication of the receivers and winch mount, I'll have to enlist the help of my buddy Chris when it comes to wiring this set up as I have NEVER been able to keep the scared smoke within the wires it always escapes. Parts are en route as this is written, fabrication will start when I have something to work with. My plan is to do a build report with photos that shows how and why I will do this as I do it.
Part of the build will be the installation and use of a larger battery, my years of experience with an electric winch have convinced me that you can't have enough battery if your in a tough situation and the winch is being worked hard. One real advantage of the Ural is the alternator on these things really puts out some juice that will go a long ways toward making the electric winch truly useful.
Oh, and don't think for a minute that this will replace the rope puller, I'll still pack the rope puller for those times when and if the electric winch isn't up to the task or needs some help getting it done.
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Hi NorthwestRider .
We have fitted a winch to our sidecar as well .It is a 12V 4000lbs Electric Winch Wireless with Synthetic Wire. From ebay .We have only had to use it a few times in the bush .It sure is better than trying to push or dig the sidecar out when we get stuck.
I like the idea of being able to use the winch to pull the sidecar from the front or rear.
I will have to look at doing that to ours later .
The wife just said that it is also easy to get the sidecar up on the trailer when she has to come and pick me up when MY BMW needs a lift home .
...I keep one o'them in the trunk when out and about too. Never seem to need it though... guess I'm a sedate pussycat.
I use to own a 4x4 shop and ran a 9,000lb winch front and rear ( yes 2 winches ) on my Tracker.The reason I ran 2 was that when I ran just 1 with a Warn receiver mount,there were times that I didn't have room to get around the back and slide the winch in.Also owning the shop I got "special" pricing on winches.on my sidecar rig I will probably never need ( I don't plan any real offroad just dirt and gravel roads) it so just a mount on front should work.I also can run the cable under the rig and pull from behind.I already have a receiver in the back and thought about doing that but I would have needed to beef it up for side pulls.Mr Cob,Warn makes a quick disconnect electrical cable for receiver mount winches which is water proof !!.
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Where you can go without a winch
I have ordered a water proof cable setup that will work with the winch, I should have all the different components within a couple of weeks, then I can start to figure how I am going to build the receiver mounts. My plan it to have the winch mounted on the rear receiver unless I need to use it to pull from the front. The reason I'll be carrying in the rear receiver is to keep weigh off the front of the rig and to help protect it from crashes or being drug through water, snow and mud. Like I said I have been thinking about this for years just now got around to seriously putting all the pieces together.
A word of warning about placing the winch on the rear. I have mine on the front because when I placed it on the rear I kept hitting my shins against the bloody thing Ouch!!!
Howdy 3legs, how are ya mate.
I won't know for certain where or how the winch will be mounted until I have it in my hands and can mock up some mounts. My plan is to mount it off of the rear of the sidecar frame and position the winch itself between the inboard side of the sidecar and the rear wheel on the bike. What I have envisioned will place the winch well behind my feet, in fact behind the rear strut that goes from near the top of the bike frame to the inboard part of the hack frame.
Based on how often I have needed to use the rope puller I am thinking the winch will be just taking up space about 99.5% of the time. So I want to have it mounted where it will be the most advantages for weighting the rear wheel for traction and OUT of the way for normal riding use. I also think that at least 95% of the time I'll actually use the winch to pull the rig forward that is why I will go through the trouble to make it easy to switch it from the rear to the front by the use of quick disconnect, water proof electrical connections.
Then again once I get this darn thing mounted, tested so that I know its trouble free I may find myself going places that even a semi-sane bastard such as myself would not have gone or attempted to go before. I have a real bad habit of pushing the envelope, I hope mounting this winch won't tempt me to progress from sometimes insane riding to idiotic. :huh