Audi / VW - Educate me

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by 09Prodigy, Nov 11, 2012.

  1. EastSideSM

    EastSideSM Isn't that dangerous?

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    I have had 5 VW's from a 1989 Jetta Wolfsberg (one of the best cars I have owned) to a 2007 GTi. I But like others, there have been a couple of misses. a 2001 Jetta I bought brand new was probably the worst of the bunch with everything from the AC compressor to the window motor to the rear brakes getting smoked in the first 10,000 miles. I still love VW's. I have had more good than bad and the good ones have been quite good. The GTI is by far my favorite and I think best bang for your buck for a "driver's" car.
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  2. A-Bone

    A-Bone Indubitably

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    A co-worker of mine is helping her 17 year old son buy a B6 S4 (yes, the one with the V8)... I cringed when she told me and promptly told her stories of my buddy that has a B5 S4 and how can not keep the thing out of the shop as awesome of a car as it is (truly, probably my favorite car I have ever driven)...

    I explained that my buddy is a contractor that does very well for himself and though the repairs are expensive, he can afford it and feels that it is just the cost of owning such a fun car. I went on to say they might be getting into something that will be much more problematic than they ever would have imagined, but then she went and did the unthinkable: she test drove it..... Throw all logic out the window because as we know.. they look great, drive like a muther-fucker and who wouldn't want one based solely on a test drive... and hey.. it's only $11k... and that is a lot of car for $11k

    The son is 'paying' for half with the money that has been gifted to him since he was born (birthdays, x-mas, various other holidays) and the mom is taking out a loan for the other half...

    Son has no job... can't even pay for insurance.. so how he is supposed to pay off the loan is beyond me... Because he isn't 18 he can't even be on the loan... so I'm sure in his mind, it's his mom's problem...

    Once the car is purchased, he has no money.... as in.. he spent it all buying the car... and again, without a job, has no means to pay for gas, let alone repairs...

    The S4 (black on black) has 100k miles, has no mainteance records, has had at least three owners, been in an accident and was just repo'd by the bank before being put on the dealer's lot with a dashboard lit up like a christmas tree with sensor warnings (ABS, airbag and CEL)... Ohhh.. and it needs a set of tires before it can even get a sticker (the son 'figures' they'll be around $400 for the set :lol3)

    Did I mention it is a stick and he doesn't drive stick???

    As a bad omen: they were supposed pick up the car from the dealer last week but as part of the P&S agreement they asked that all repairs associated with the Festival of Lights that comprise the dashboard be repaired... Dealer said OK.. but is now $1800 into the repairs and is waiting for a part to arrive from Germany that may or may not fix the airbag sensor issue.. Beyond this, the dealer said that if this doesn't fix it he is done putting money into the car and will 'give them their deposit back' cuz he can't make any money on it from here on out...

    Now mom is wondering if this was such a good idea...

    I hope it ends with a kid driving a bitchin car that has no issues for the next 100k... but I think those are pretty long odds...
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  3. Barnstormer

    Barnstormer Logistique

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    Pray that the dealer can't get the part.
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  4. A-Bone

    A-Bone Indubitably

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    Was just talking to the mom.. that's what she's feeling..

    Sucks.. cuz she's a peach and just wants her son to have a cool car...
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  5. Rogue_Ryder

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    WOW! She's going to get stuck with either a lawn ornament or the kid will wreck it before the first $2,000 repair bill.

    My Dad owned the original S4 (20V Turbo I-5) which was regarded as the Reliable S4 (10 years ago) and he probably spent $1000+/yr in maintenance on that car. And it was a 1 owner car that was religiously maintained not a neglected P.O.S. like this kid wants.

    There's so many other cool cars out there for $11K that won't require a few thousand a year in maintenance. The Mom should spend that money on college and have the kid buy his own car for $5K.
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  6. jdiaz

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    Prayers sent. :lol3
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  7. A-Bone

    A-Bone Indubitably

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    The truly suck part is the kid was just given a Ford Ranger with only 40k on it his grand father had owned since day one.. garaged..maintained.. from central FLA (so zero rust)..

    Its a 4 cylinder base-model 2wd.. so not anywhere near as cool... I get that... but how many chicks can you pick up with a broken down car???

    With any luck they are keeping the truck for when the car breaks down, but I'm sure he'll sell it for gas money and repairs...
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  8. Adam E

    Adam E halfway there

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    Ahhh THERE you are. This is your fault, you know!:lol3

    (They said it's an EGR valve, had to order it in. This means she's driving my truck around, which is not great for the marriage. :deal)
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  9. Kubla

    Kubla Long timer

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    it would be cheaper for her to buy the kid an old corvette, and I love my VW
    I had an 84 vette, was fixing it constantly but you could at least buy 99% of the parts at autozone
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  10. Guano11

    Guano11 Stop me if you've heard this one....

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    Removing the bulbs woulda fixed that light show a lot cheaper. Just sayin'. :johntm
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  11. RonS

    RonS Out there...

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    It'll be up on blocks in the front yard within an month as the kid saves for the first oil change.

    Wasn't there a thread about upscale white trash a while back. This would be the very difinition even if they are not white. :lol3
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  12. A-Bone

    A-Bone Indubitably

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    I'll be sure to let her know... :bluduh
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  13. tntmo

    tntmo Been here awhile

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    Ha, my daughters boyfriend told me last night that the check engine light is flashing, the car is shaking when it starts and white smoke is coming out the exhaust!

    Yeah, VW is quality alright!



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  14. kobudo28

    kobudo28 Banned

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    One of my tech's has an A4 turbo. He just did the required timing belt/water pump/pulley/tensioner job, plugs, oil and filter, screw on 4 mounted snows, load test the battery, check the antifreeze.....out of the shop for just under $1200.00.

    They had to take the whole nose of the car off to get the pump, etc.
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  15. Sniper X

    Sniper X De Oppresso Liber

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    Just get whatever you want, and buy a comprehensive after market warranty from Warranty Direct. I'LL NEVER buy another used car without doing that if the car qualifies. I bought one for the 2005 focus I just got as a commuter car and for a 60month 60K mile very comprehensive warranty it cost me less than a grand. I had one on my hot rod 1995 Taurus SHO and that warranty saved me $5400.00 over the cost of the warranty in three years of ownership.
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  16. Schlug

    Schlug JockeyfullofBourbon

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    put something on and stay in that position.

    The joy of having to drive to the dealer in the pouring rain with a nearly new VW, its window being held up with a piece of duct tape.
    For the SECOND time.

    They replaced it under warranty, again, and left all the duct tape residue in place.

    "You're car is ready, sir."
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  17. MudWalker

    MudWalker Long timer

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    Funny, my A4 lasted 10 years before I had to sport any duct tape. A lot of folks said it would happen sooner. I used black tape and did a nice job with thin strips, can hardly see.:lol3 It's gonna get traded in that way too!

    To the OP........................I have given this car (02 A4 Avant 1.8T) all I'm willing to give, it's just too difficult and expensive to service when comparing the others. I actually enjoy maintaining my Toyota, it's somehow satisifying..............not so with the Audi, it's as if it is fighting against you as you try to cure what is ailing it. These cars drive better no doubt but if you live on a budget don't do it. Go buy a new Ford Focus SE with a manual transmission, skip the extras and drive it for 10 years, done!
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  18. Schlug

    Schlug JockeyfullofBourbon

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    I concur with every part of this post.
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  19. urbancowboy

    urbancowboy Vicious Cycler

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    need to vent, figured this might be an appropriate thread:

    2012 Golf TDI. 17k miles on it. purchased new from vw manhattan in january.

    been hearing a rattle that sounds like it's coming from the glove box SINCE NEW. mentioned it each time it's been back at the dealership (checkup and 10K service).

    last couple of weeks new noises were bugging me:
    driver's side door rattle, stops when i press my arm/elbow into the armrest.
    and a suspension squeak when going over bumps.

    scheduled an appointment at the dealership. when i dropped the car off, i mentioned those three items. also mentioned that i had googled the glove box noise the night before, and the internet people suggested the plastic cowling under the passenger side wiper blade was the source. the service advisor interrupted me when i said "googled" and he said "that's the worst thing you can do." i explained to him that i've complained about the rattle twice and nothing has been fixed.

    at 5 PM today, i called the dealership to see what was going on. dropped the car off at 1:30 PM yesterday. service advisor returned my call (!) and told me my car was done. he said they fixed the rattle with the plastic cowling, but couldn't replicate the other two issues.

    so they fixed the one thing i could have fixed myself. i don't want to pull the driver's door apart to find the loose parts, but i guess i will have to.

    the suspension noise is definitely bad news also. i can't imagine that it will go away on it's own.

    when i told the service advisor that i was frustrated about the other noises not being addressed, he told me "cars are made of metal, they're not going to be completely quiet." not to sound naive, but i didn't expect that from a VW service person. i don't want to blame this service advisor for poor design/poor build quality, but i do expect these little things to be addressed. or at least pretend that you're making an effort.

    it's too bad that the only company making fun-to-drive, yet practical stick shift cars can't get out of their own way with the little stuff.

    if acura or infinity made a hatchback with manual transmission, i'd be taking a close look at it now.

    rant over.
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  20. Adam E

    Adam E halfway there

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    I think that's why there is a herd of "VW people" who tolerate the problems- they are the only real fun affordable cars with manual transmissions that get over 40 mpg.

    E still really likes hers- she's commented several times that she likes it more than the Mini. As long as that happiness factor outweighs any frustration we see in the future, we'll keep the car.
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