Auxiliary tank - regulations (ferry)

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  1. Ronnie de Pony

    Ronnie de Pony Yamaha Tricker

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    Hi,

    I am new here, and tried the search functionality, but my english is maybe not good enough to choose the correct keywords for a good search.

    I am planning to go on holiday with my Yamaha Tricker. Holiday starts at home in the south of The Netherlands, and via Germany to Finland, Sweden and Norway, via Denmark and Germany back home again. Since I ride 1:25, and the tank is only 4 liters (+ 2 liters reserve), I have to tank every 100 km… which I don’t like. Putting a jerrycan of fuel in my luggage is an option, but I would rather not have the hassle of filling my tank with a jerrycan. So, I am going to install an auxiliary tank. (In the back, opposite side of the exhaust, attach it to the inside of the luggage frame).

    Does anyone know the rules & regulations for these auxiliary tanks? The sticker on the tank says “offroad only”… but I am planning to ride (mainly) on the normal / asphalt roads. I also plan to take 4 ferries (at least): are these auxiliary tanks allowed? Should I make sure it is empty before entering the ferry? Or can I have fuel inside? Or is it illegal, and do I need to “hide” it from sight in a bag?

    Kind regards,
    Daphne, The Netherlands

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  2. pibyk

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    Well, if you want to be sure then just call the ferry company. From the other hand I've never heard about such tanks being illegal. IMHO - you should be all right but just in case don't advertise it, cover it if possible and take off the sticker :-)
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  3. MichaelJ

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    And remove the sticker.
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  4. Ronnie de Pony

    Ronnie de Pony Yamaha Tricker

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    Hahaha yes! I will definitely remove the sticker :) And it is not visible from the side, since it is hidden behind the luggage bags. I will call the ferry people to check what their policy is.

    On a US ferry site I saw that auxiliary tanks (limited fuel quantity and integral part of the vehicle part, so connected by a fuel line) on motorbikes are considered 'dangerous goods', but they are accepted without paperwork, because they are considered 'commonly carried items'
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  5. MichaelJ

    MichaelJ Long timer

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    Neat little bike! We don't get it here in the U.S. But a 6 liter fuel tank?! Eek!
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  6. Ronnie de Pony

    Ronnie de Pony Yamaha Tricker

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    In the Netherlands it was only imported in 2005, not a succes story, didn't sell very well back then.

    I think it is a lovely bike for clumsy people like me, who regularly drop it. Nice and small, easy to manouvre, and also easy to pick up off the ground :) Only the tank, that is indeed a wee bit on the tiny side... (and it is 'a bit less comfy than my previous ride (transalp))

    (And it is 'a bit' slower than the bikes that my friends ride, cant keep up with 'normal' riding people and on the highway. On the other side: you can ride it anywhere else, even without offroad experience. So i bought 2 of them, so people can join me on a Tricker for some fun on small (forest) roads (where their bigger/street bikes are a pain in the @$$).
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  7. MichaelJ

    MichaelJ Long timer

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    I have a VStrom 1000 and a Tiger Explorer 1200. They are indeed a P.I.T.A. off pavement (at least with my riding ability). I've been looking at a Yamaha TW200 for a number of years now for just that kind of slow riding in the woods. It appears to be a "cousin" of the Tricker. But has a larger fuel tank (7 liters).
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  8. kito

    kito Been here awhile

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    I would be extremely surprised if anyone even checked your bike. I have took the hull/Rotterdam ferry, dover/Calais , Dunkirk /Dover, Liverpool/Ireland and back without anyone looking at my bike . I shipped it Russia /Korea /USA , Panama/Colombia , Suriname /Amsterdam and still never had anyone checking my bike for road only parts
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  9. nickguzzi

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    Like Kito, I have crossed the English Channel a few times. Somewhere it says no fuel cans, no gas cylinders and stuff like that, but no one ever checks any of the thousands of caravans which all have gas cylinders.

    A few friends are keen old Lambretta riders - travelling to EuroLambretta Club gatherings from the UK. Lambrettas have similar problems to yours, tiny 9l tanks and most of them have tuned 2t engines which drink fuel like crazy. They all carry a cheap plastic fuel can on the back in plain sight with never a question on the ferry.

    Good luck and have a great time.
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  10. Ronnie de Pony

    Ronnie de Pony Yamaha Tricker

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    Thanks for the info. Good to read that you have positiv experience :)
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  11. thewildcallsjon

    thewildcallsjon Aesthetic Voyager

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    Have been on quite a few ferries over the last year, with the bike, and no one has ever checked or told me i could not have it. I usually cover it up strapped on anyway so its not in plain sight.
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  12. Johann

    Johann commuterus tankslapperus

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    I´ve been on a few ferries and never had the bike inspected (customs aside) before boarding or seen another bike inspected. A bit of common sense, make sure the fuel cell doesn´t look too Heath Robinson, isn´t obvious and I doubt anybody would notice let alone care.
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  13. JPSala

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    I'm living in Finland so every time I'm traveling I have to use a ferry and never seen or heard anyone check the bikes! Don't worry about that. But remove those stickers anyway... :D
    BTW, I you need any help or tips about traveling in Finland or other northern region just ask, I can probably help you.

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  14. DeGraafvanSalland

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    Officially, an additional fuel tank will probably not be allowed on ferries.
    Perhaps you shouldn't call them for fear of waking the sleeping dogs ("geen slapende honden wakker maken").
    I've also done a few ferry-crossing (mostly continent -Britain v.v.) and my bike has never been checked.

    If you are worried about fire-risc, then perhaps it's good to know that a fuel tank that is 100% full, is less dangerous, than one that is partly full. This is because most liquid fuels are not dangerous, only the fumes from the fuel are dangerous (explosive). If a tank is completely full, there's no room for the fumes.
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    Or: It's usually easier to gain forgiveness than permission. :evil
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  16. Ronnie de Pony

    Ronnie de Pony Yamaha Tricker

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    Hahaha yes, i am good at playing "naive", guess i will get away with it if anyone checks. (The last time I told someone that "i never left my little village before" (and acted a bit overwhelmed, just for fun), i was escorted all the way to the gate where my plane was waiting... i guess i shouldn't overdo it :D but the "asking for forgiveness" strategy should work)

    Thanks for all the tips.
    Jpsala i send you a message wrt Finland (or, i think i did ;)
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  18. Ronnie de Pony

    Ronnie de Pony Yamaha Tricker

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  19. Ronnie de Pony

    Ronnie de Pony Yamaha Tricker

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    Tank is mounted, luggage racks in place. Testing the system a little. Next week Ferry to Finland, will find out if it gives me trouble or not soon ;)
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  20. MichaelJ

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    NICE bike! I would have one, if they were imported into the U.S.

    Keep us posted on your ride. And pics! Lots of pics!
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