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Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by EvilGenius, Jan 1, 2009.
Didn't they have a cargo door latching problem, too? Or am I thinking of the L1011?
No kidding, man.
DC-10, I remember that one.
There was another DC-10 lost a cargo door over Windsor, Ontario while climbing out of Detroit. Made it back for a safe landing in Detroit with limited hydraulic capability.
Amazing views. :huh
The contrails helping to "illuminate" the wake in the first two shots is fascinating.
I want one.
Congrats on the success!
I got my A&P in June of 1985, used it for two years and then got out of the business. I've recently bought some study guides (cripes, I've forgotten a lot of stuff!) and I'm planning to get back in. Neither one of us will get rich doing this kind of work, but it sure is a fun job.
I hope to go to work at a facility in Northern California that modifies and maintains fire fighting aircraft. Lotsa overtime in the Summer and the possibility of field work are pretty appealing to me.
Good luck on the Summer school and let us know how you do.
I wonder what happened here? :huh
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I've stood close to where that guy stood.
Some kind of rudder problem? What else would make it steer like that?
didn't look like he even thought to abort... I'd say either overloaded, or underestimated takeoff distance...
damn shame, either way...
The Beaver started a "step turn" to keep aligned with the curved water way and it looks like he tried to horse it off the water before it was ready to fly. A floatplane is held on the step until it lifts off the water. Applying back pressure in an attempt to get off quicker results in the heals of the floats contacting the water and creating drag and just extending the takeoff run. He could of tried "rolling" the port float thus getting the starboard float out of the water to lessen drag. Thats a common trick with floatplanes. He just did not have enough flying speed to maneuver when he finally got off the water and hit the chain link fence with a float. If you watch a Beaver on floats take off you will notice they get off and continue to climb in a level attitude.
The Beaver is a marvelous plane on floats, but you can't ask it to do the impossible. It would be helpful to know what the temperature and winds were that day and what kind of load the plane had. I would not believe rudder problems as an excuse. I'm glad no one was badly injured. Its quite probable that plane will be rebuilt to better than new condition. They don't make them anymore and they are still the best bush plane for commercial operators.
"The apparent cause of the accident, shortly before 2 p.m., was a strong gust of wind that apparently pushed the Beaver hard to the left; the pilot couldn't climb out of it before hitting ground next to a Lake Hood canal, said Howard Plagens, the NTSB investigator."
Sad it happened, but glad everyone made it out ok...
The wind sock and the riverbank foliage show very little wind and no strong gusts through out the takeoff run. Gusts are readily visible on the water surface as every floatplane pilot knows and watches for. The windsock shows a crosswind from his right however. Starting at 0:33 the plane has a pronounced nose high attitude when it should be almost level at that point in the takeoff. The "sweet spot" must be held until liftoff.
My guess is that the pilot panicked when his step turn wasn't going well and when he realized he was headed towards the shore he tried to horse it off before it was ready. The crosswind was from his right, but it wasn't enough to counteract the powerful engine torque which makes the plane turn left unless heavy right rudder is held. I don't buy the gust storey. I wonder how much experience the pilot had.
At :33 it kinda looks like that's what he tried to do.
A video of me and my girlfriend taking off in a float-plane at Elmhirst resort...
(obviously the floats had wheels attached...)
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Been a slow start to the fire season here. Had a few small fires the last day or 2. Twin Otter on bomb floats.
CL 415's waiting in the rain.
AS 350 B2 flying and EC 130 B4 the on ground.
Thought I would share what I stumbled upon on the interweb.
There are some really amazing images in here.