Aviation MegaThread!!!!

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by EvilGenius, Jan 1, 2009.

  1. Beamer Pilot

    Beamer Pilot Obviously a major malf...

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    Were you part of that massive firing a few years back; if so must have been a real downer!!!<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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    And regarding flying jobs, I also hold a valid Instructor Rating. I trained my daughter under the condition that she would put a degree of some sort on the wall and not follow in the family footsteps, not to mention that even today women have it really rough on the flight deck...no matter what you hear about job equality and sexual harassment. And guess what most F/As will hate your guts!
    Also remember that your job depends partially on the praps or reviews you get from the Captains you fly with whether you are competent or not is not necessarily the issue. The saying "I'll take the ugly one Captain" comes to mind. Kiss ass and get along is part of the routine.
    Did I mention check rides every six months…Fail too many times and back to charter flying you go.<o:p></o:p>
    Your doctor comes out of university and never has to re-qualify yet routinely holds your life in his hands…<o:p></o:p>
    Done for now!
  2. Heyload

    Heyload Remastered Classic

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    I'll add that you always have the thought that you are one flight physical away from ending your career, too.
  3. Beamer Pilot

    Beamer Pilot Obviously a major malf...

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    Totally, a critical point that I missed...given the fact that I have seen more than a few pilots change careers over blood pressure.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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  4. Flying-D

    Flying-D Just Passing Through

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    Amen! I never really thought about it until I got to be in my forties, but I get pretty nervous these days (49 now). I've seen more than one controller end his career at the doctors office too...
  5. Beamer Pilot

    Beamer Pilot Obviously a major malf...

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    Go wrenching…Go wrenching…Never.
    Got kicked out of the hangar by Roger Guay the chief engineer as soon as he found out I was a pilot, threw a broom at me after he overheard my conversation with Tim the chief pilot over finishing my AME (A&P in your world I guess) before taking the pilot position on the L19 on remote sensing. The broom Roger said would be the only thing I would ever work on in his hangar. God rest his soul. Seemed like every pilot he trained left as soon as licensed
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    Went flying…did manage to lose a “bird” (remote antennae on a wire that flies behind the a/c, the operator in the back seat reels it in up to the cradle located on the belly) in the trees a week later, C/P then asked how I liked wrenching in case I lost another bird…
    End of wrenching career and not about to try again…
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    OK boring…more pictures please…!!!
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  6. vspeed

    vspeed Been here awhile

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    I've been in the flying business since 1986. I'm one of the lucky ones who found their way to a major airline. I didn't take an easy or quick route to the job I have now, and nobody ever told me it would be easy (and it wasn't). Sure as hell nobody ever guaranteed me a job, much less a career. Luck and timing and economics play as large a part in the success of your flying career as anything else.

    If you want to fly for a living you should go for it. It has to be a "calling" for you though. If you're doing it in hopes of big paychecks, glamour, prestige, impressing your friends, or any reason other than it's the only thing you've ever wanted to do, then you should save your money.
  7. Hardware02

    Hardware02 Long timer

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    I looked hard at the industry a couple of times over the years. IMO, the closest to a "secure" career in aviation would be in the military. That has its own separate hockey-sock of issues...
  8. pwrtrippin

    pwrtrippin Been here awhile

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    I do hear that.
  9. dorkpunch

    dorkpunch Oops...

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    So anyways... Airplanes...

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    Sorry. Best I gots.
  10. pplassm

    pplassm Brace for collision!

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    And I like it. Not too many of us free-flighting anymore.
  11. The Other Allan

    The Other Allan Been here awhile

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    If you ever read the September, 2003 issue of Model Aviation, there is a story in there called, "The One That Got Away."

    Somewhere east of Belgium, WI, there is a set of stainless steel wire landing gear at the bottom of Lake Michigan. That's probably all that is left of my 48" Wakefield FF.
  12. oldmanb777

    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism!

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    I' flying as capt for a major airline. Many of the first officers I fly with were capt's at their previous airline. The guy i'm flying this trip with actually flew the plane we flew yesterday, as a capt at the previous airline. Now he is starting over, again. Reserve duty etc. I've been there. Senority controls EVERYTHING in your life, so starting over is really bad. Imagine a lawyer or DR giving 20 yrs experience for new hire status and wages. I've watched as the airline carreer has gone down the toilet. The pilots have taken the biggest hit, but the techs have been butchered as well. I am also a an A&P/IA. So during the furloughs i worked as an A&P. I learned early in the 1980's that my future was in perrill. So we lived well under our means, and I always worked a second job. that way when mgt screwed up and i had to pay for it, i had something to fall back on. I actually have done better financially in realestate, and autos. So with the loss of my retirement, I still have built a nest egg. The lifestyle is a mixed bag. Looks good until you live it. I'm sitting here, in the middle of the night, can't sleep (body clock wrong) listenening to the elevator haul the drunks up form the bar under my room. They turned the music up about 10:00 pm to make sure i couldn't sleep. Guess i had better fumagate all my stuff when i get home, I just got bit by something I think wasn't a bed bug.
    Missed many fo my kids birthdays, most Christmass, and Thanksgiving and other hollidays. Had to call in "well" to be at the graduation. Got nasty letter in my file for that. Sure is fun to get a check ride from a check pilot who didn't get laid last night, and plans to take it out on you. All while cuts in pay and bennefits are the normal order of the day. Oh and I love the diciplinary drug and achohol tests. Refuse to fly something you think is unsafe, and you get some of these, fly something that IS unsafe and the fines start at $10,000.

    Rethink your future. If you put the same energy into something else, you could be the guy sitting in the back of the private jet, drinking a martini with the blond on your lap, instead of the guy schlepping unruly deadbeat drunks on thier freeby frequeint flyer miles. Oh by the way, when you use your miles, be nice to the staff @ the airline. Those miles were bennefits that the staff earned, and were promised to the staff by the airline, but givin to anybody they could get to take them.
  13. vspeed

    vspeed Been here awhile

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    It's still a pretty good job though.

    That Triple 7 is a pretty nice plane huh?
  14. fullmonte

    fullmonte Reformed Kneedragger

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    If I were gonna be a pilot today, my passengers would be packages and my plane would be brown, or white with a blue tail. Anybody here fly freight?:ear
  15. chazbird

    chazbird Long timer

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    Used to fly freight. I liked it, more than passengers. Got furloughed. Went overseas on a good passenger contract. Came back. Found out I can't apply to the purple freighters because I worked overseas. There's a 5 year ban on hiring pilots who've worked overseas -its because they have a US mail contract. Yes, you see, I must be a terrorist because I worked overseas. Its crap like that that just makes me utterly disgusted. Apply elsewhere? The brown freighters have pilots on furlough. The other freighter people I applied to in the past 3 years, all except one, have furloughed or gone bankrupt (Southern, World, Evergreen, etc.) That's just one of the nuggets of misery, maybe even "injustice", I've endured. I also have a full skill set and masters in another field, that I used to do in the 90's and to the mid 2000's when I was laid off and went back to aviation, but that world has been coming up with blanks too.
  16. Beamer Pilot

    Beamer Pilot Obviously a major malf...

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    Yeah...that was good at the beginning specially the guys who supported Smith when things went sour at FX, but again they took a chance and worked for free for a while...Set for life now...
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    How long do you plan on working nights...???<o:p></o:p>
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    And that brings us to another issue...still on my first wife...how about other pilots...rare in this work...<o:p></o:p>
    A friend Capt spend last night at the house we discussed this thread (non ADV) he had a good laugh. He had it ten times worse than me in his career.<o:p></o:p>
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  17. chazbird

    chazbird Long timer

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    I basically choose not to get married or have a family. That was my own decision, outside of being a pilot. However, getting married and having a family is still considered somewhat the norm. Try doing that now days being a young pilot. It 'aint going to happen. OK, maybe it will, and if it does, it'll probably be a real train wreck. Maybe you can get yourself into 100K or more debt with minimal experience and get hired with this years indentured servant regional airline for 20K a year. I am sure your high earning wife (or better yet, a wife with a daddy who runs a hedge fund) will support that, and also decide to have your children - all without complaint. Its gotten so bad now I'm of the opinion that's the pilots themselves who have let the bar get so low. < Insert airplane picture >
  18. chazbird

    chazbird Long timer

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    On second thought maybe the new young pilots won't have the old school pilot ex-wife problem. Having a 4 year degree, a specialized skill set (and a huge debt) and making 20k a year puts them in special category. The "L" category. The kind of category that people don't marry in the first place.
  19. Beamer Pilot

    Beamer Pilot Obviously a major malf...

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    And I thought I was sour...
    Are we getting the point across...or ...:dhorse
  20. chazbird

    chazbird Long timer

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    Yeah, I better get out of my pajamas and out of the house.