Aviation MegaThread!!!!

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by EvilGenius, Jan 1, 2009.

  1. pwrtrippin

    pwrtrippin Been here awhile

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    I do hear that.
  2. dorkpunch

    dorkpunch Oops...

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    So anyways... Airplanes...

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    Sorry. Best I gots.
  3. pplassm

    pplassm Brace for collision!

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    And I like it. Not too many of us free-flighting anymore.
  4. The Other Allan

    The Other Allan Been here awhile

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    If you ever read the September, 2003 issue of Model Aviation, there is a story in there called, "The One That Got Away."

    Somewhere east of Belgium, WI, there is a set of stainless steel wire landing gear at the bottom of Lake Michigan. That's probably all that is left of my 48" Wakefield FF.
  5. oldmanb777

    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism!

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    I' flying as capt for a major airline. Many of the first officers I fly with were capt's at their previous airline. The guy i'm flying this trip with actually flew the plane we flew yesterday, as a capt at the previous airline. Now he is starting over, again. Reserve duty etc. I've been there. Senority controls EVERYTHING in your life, so starting over is really bad. Imagine a lawyer or DR giving 20 yrs experience for new hire status and wages. I've watched as the airline carreer has gone down the toilet. The pilots have taken the biggest hit, but the techs have been butchered as well. I am also a an A&P/IA. So during the furloughs i worked as an A&P. I learned early in the 1980's that my future was in perrill. So we lived well under our means, and I always worked a second job. that way when mgt screwed up and i had to pay for it, i had something to fall back on. I actually have done better financially in realestate, and autos. So with the loss of my retirement, I still have built a nest egg. The lifestyle is a mixed bag. Looks good until you live it. I'm sitting here, in the middle of the night, can't sleep (body clock wrong) listenening to the elevator haul the drunks up form the bar under my room. They turned the music up about 10:00 pm to make sure i couldn't sleep. Guess i had better fumagate all my stuff when i get home, I just got bit by something I think wasn't a bed bug.
    Missed many fo my kids birthdays, most Christmass, and Thanksgiving and other hollidays. Had to call in "well" to be at the graduation. Got nasty letter in my file for that. Sure is fun to get a check ride from a check pilot who didn't get laid last night, and plans to take it out on you. All while cuts in pay and bennefits are the normal order of the day. Oh and I love the diciplinary drug and achohol tests. Refuse to fly something you think is unsafe, and you get some of these, fly something that IS unsafe and the fines start at $10,000.

    Rethink your future. If you put the same energy into something else, you could be the guy sitting in the back of the private jet, drinking a martini with the blond on your lap, instead of the guy schlepping unruly deadbeat drunks on thier freeby frequeint flyer miles. Oh by the way, when you use your miles, be nice to the staff @ the airline. Those miles were bennefits that the staff earned, and were promised to the staff by the airline, but givin to anybody they could get to take them.
  6. vspeed

    vspeed Been here awhile

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    It's still a pretty good job though.

    That Triple 7 is a pretty nice plane huh?
  7. fullmonte

    fullmonte Reformed Kneedragger

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    If I were gonna be a pilot today, my passengers would be packages and my plane would be brown, or white with a blue tail. Anybody here fly freight?:ear
  8. chazbird

    chazbird Long timer

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    Used to fly freight. I liked it, more than passengers. Got furloughed. Went overseas on a good passenger contract. Came back. Found out I can't apply to the purple freighters because I worked overseas. There's a 5 year ban on hiring pilots who've worked overseas -its because they have a US mail contract. Yes, you see, I must be a terrorist because I worked overseas. Its crap like that that just makes me utterly disgusted. Apply elsewhere? The brown freighters have pilots on furlough. The other freighter people I applied to in the past 3 years, all except one, have furloughed or gone bankrupt (Southern, World, Evergreen, etc.) That's just one of the nuggets of misery, maybe even "injustice", I've endured. I also have a full skill set and masters in another field, that I used to do in the 90's and to the mid 2000's when I was laid off and went back to aviation, but that world has been coming up with blanks too.
  9. Beamer Pilot

    Beamer Pilot Obviously a major malf...

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    Yeah...that was good at the beginning specially the guys who supported Smith when things went sour at FX, but again they took a chance and worked for free for a while...Set for life now...
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    How long do you plan on working nights...???<o:p></o:p>
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    And that brings us to another issue...still on my first wife...how about other pilots...rare in this work...<o:p></o:p>
    A friend Capt spend last night at the house we discussed this thread (non ADV) he had a good laugh. He had it ten times worse than me in his career.<o:p></o:p>
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  10. chazbird

    chazbird Long timer

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    I basically choose not to get married or have a family. That was my own decision, outside of being a pilot. However, getting married and having a family is still considered somewhat the norm. Try doing that now days being a young pilot. It 'aint going to happen. OK, maybe it will, and if it does, it'll probably be a real train wreck. Maybe you can get yourself into 100K or more debt with minimal experience and get hired with this years indentured servant regional airline for 20K a year. I am sure your high earning wife (or better yet, a wife with a daddy who runs a hedge fund) will support that, and also decide to have your children - all without complaint. Its gotten so bad now I'm of the opinion that's the pilots themselves who have let the bar get so low. < Insert airplane picture >
  11. chazbird

    chazbird Long timer

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    On second thought maybe the new young pilots won't have the old school pilot ex-wife problem. Having a 4 year degree, a specialized skill set (and a huge debt) and making 20k a year puts them in special category. The "L" category. The kind of category that people don't marry in the first place.
  12. Beamer Pilot

    Beamer Pilot Obviously a major malf...

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    And I thought I was sour...
    Are we getting the point across...or ...:dhorse
  13. chazbird

    chazbird Long timer

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    Yeah, I better get out of my pajamas and out of the house.
  14. vspeed

    vspeed Been here awhile

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    Still got my first wife. She's a former FA, 16 years younger than me :D.
  15. Heyload

    Heyload Remastered Classic

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    I just spent six hours out in the pouring rain doing ground training on the aircraft.


    Damn, I love my job.
  16. oldmanb777

    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism!

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    For me, I'm on the O.W. retirement plan. "Original Wife". But it's very rare. Airline Induced Divorce Syndrome.
    Your wife has to be able to cope with EVERYTHING while you are gone, then when you get home you have to deal with all the stuff that got messed up and neglected while you were gone. Before you get it all cought up, it's time to leave again. You have to be good at living in 2 worlds. The company doesn't understand (or care about) your home life, and your family doesn't understand your work life. It looks like you live a perpetual vacation. Company supplied hotels and travel, but it's more like being homeless. And ther perdiem won't let you eat @ Micky D's anymore. My Perdiem under our new (bad) deal is about what we got in 1998.

    Yes the Boeing 777 is a great airplane. I just can't hold it anymore, not senior enough after 35 yrs. My brother is teaching it. Had to get a job after retireing. Company turned over his retirement to PBGC, and they decided he got too much already. So @ 65 yrs old, he had to get a new job. Workable if they told you that would happen when you were 40, but a little late to start to rebuild a retirement when you are in your 60's. But the lawyers and mgt got plenty of bonuses out of the deal.:deal

    There are times when I love the job. I really like most of the very exceptional people I work with. Not just the pilots, but the mechanices, the flight attendants, and the agents. So many talented people. People who have skills you could never imagine. One fo the flight attendants on my last trip writes software, has a successful business. Works as a Flight attendant just to "balance " his life. Flight attendant I knon is a very successful actress, has her own tv show, works part time as a flight attendant. I have an agent freind who owns her own wholesale coffee company. A couple aof mechanics I know build custom bycicles for pro racers. It's been said, anything you need to know how to do, just stop by the mechanics break room, if they can't tell you how to do what you want, they know someone on the property who is an expert. Doesn't matter if it's reloading, drill a well roofing your house, or building a new computer, or fixing your tv.
  17. vspeed

    vspeed Been here awhile

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    There are a lot of less than happy folks in this line of work. That's why I tell young'uns who are considering getting into the business that it really has to be the only thing you ever wanted to do. If you don't have that basic passion, you're likely to wind up being miserable because there are so many pitfalls and downsides to the job (furloughs, bankruptcies, career stagnation, etc).

    The good things (for me) about the job: I get to fly jets, I earn well above the median U.S. household income, I work 14 -16 days per month, I pretty much don't have to take my job home with me, I rarely have any interaction with my boss (don't think he even knows my name, which is a good thing), and I really enjoy flying planes.

    You have to be able to take the bad with the good in this line of work.
  18. vspeed

    vspeed Been here awhile

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    We've got 777's too. I'll never see it though. The guys I know that do fly it really like it.

    On the plus side, I've been flying Douglas stuff for the last 5 or 6 years and probably will be for the foreseeable future. I'm building a lot of "character".

    BTW the photo of your dad's retirement flight was cool. Those were the days.
  19. Beamer Pilot

    Beamer Pilot Obviously a major malf...

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    Not to be disrespectful but does the word "Arctic" or - 45 degrees mean anything to you? At a certain point I hated mine !<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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  20. chazbird

    chazbird Long timer

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    Despite my malcontent, I agree with V-Speed, and its probably the best advice for people thinking of getting involved. Flying has been pretty much all I wanted to do, and I am happy I did it - the 14 or so years I took off from flying were in a aviation science safety realm, directly related to flying. In fact, it was inside in the deepest sense of inside. Now days, despite being unemployed, I still think of myself as a pilot and would be perfectly happy with a mid range salary flying a relatively "simple" plane (E.G. King Air, etc.). One doesn't have to fly for the airlines to have a interesting intrinsic satisfying job, although my opinion is that the skills and experience you build in the airlines and the military via their training and operations will do you well in any other sort of flying. I sometimes fly with people who have not gone through those sorts of systems and there are often habits or behaviors that are less than optimum. But, its one of those things, how do you know what you don't know?