Aviation MegaThread!!!!

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by EvilGenius, Jan 1, 2009.

  1. Old fart

    Old fart Keen AG100 rider

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    ????????
    I thought you had a hard time finding pilots wiith expirence for SEAT's?
  2. Flying-D

    Flying-D Just Passing Through

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    Firefighters in my small town start in the mid-twenties, average around forty, and top out around sixty. Not great, but mostly OJT and no debt to learn the trade. On the contrary, Captains with many Part 135 operations will never see forty.
  3. No False Enthusiasm

    No False Enthusiasm a quiet adventurer

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  4. Flying-D

    Flying-D Just Passing Through

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    Ahhhh...I see...:1drink
  5. Lornce

    Lornce Lost In Place

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    In all likelyhood, that's a misleading statistic.

    I'd be willing to bet that, statistically, more fires requiring firefighter response are handled in the urban centres that employ those 29% of firefighters for whom fighting fires is a profession.


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  6. PackMule

    PackMule love what you do Super Moderator

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    All statistics are misleading (or at least generated with a bias toward supporting a specific point). :lol3

    By number of calls, absolutely, more than 29% are covered by professional firefighters. But when it comes time for contract negotiations, you're pretty undermined when there are better than three quarters of a million people doing "the same job" for free, many of whom would jump at the chance to step in to your hitches if you weren't satisfied with the wages or conditions offered.

    And of course, the mis-truth in that is the same as in your line of work. I wouldn't want a hobbiest pilot flying my loved ones in a commercial airliner, just as I want an experienced professional to tend to my family's emergency.


    I respect the work that community volunteers do :bow, and in many locales, volunteer labor is all that they've chosen to support in terms of budgets and taxes. But in this day and age, it's unreasonable to expect someone to be able to keep up with education and maintain top flite proficiency as a hobby or side activity.
  7. Shadow10

    Shadow10 Been here awhile

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    After reading of peoples experiences here and of those that I personally know that fly for a living, I am surprised airlines and commercial operators have anyone available to fly their aircraft. Fixed or rotary.

    I have made a couple of serious attempts to make flying a career over the years. I pretty much got talked out of it by experienced pilots. They all love flying, but if they had their time over, would do something else and just fly for fun. The sentiment is pretty much universal. Put your time, effort and hard earned into something that will bring just rewards. I can still do plenty of flying if I really want to and the IP's will be happy for the hours.

    It's just as well the flying public are blissfully unaware of the shennanigans that goes on within commercial airlines. Knowing what I know now, I'm more nervous than when flying was new and a novelty.
  8. Beamer Pilot

    Beamer Pilot Obviously a major malf...

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    Now there is a slight difference here, I think that most of us are happy with our career choice made many years ago in my case not much of a choice since the European way was to follow in your father's footsteps. What we see is the abuse that new hires all across aviation have to endure with no real assurance of a future. I never see doctors or attorneys or working for 25K and I look at all pilots not just majors. Most drillers and rig hands in this area make over $100.000 with no investment on their part. When you invest this kind of money and dedication in your flying training you should be able to raise a family on the proceeds and not have to depend on your spouse to pay bills and student loans. Not to mention that a lot of new pilots looking at the majors are not going to cut it, the selection process still includes a certain profile to match, read the standard pilot look...tall, thin and fit. The flight school is not going to tell you are 75 lbs overweight with an attitude problem. Bottom line think twice if your plan is the big airlines and not just the flying in general.
    Yes you can fly for fun, buy an old Piper or Cessna for $30,000 put 300 hours on it and sell for the same amount or more when you get bored with it and decide to get a boat instead.
    If you go ahead anyway do not plan on a 30 year career, how long before we get phased out of the flight deck...auto land...A/P goes on at 400' and off at 200' for most of us these days and SOPs discourage hand flying...
  9. oldmanb777

    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism!

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    Beamer Pilot is right on target. I like flying. Glad I did it, and glad I could do it. I was lucky (As most are who make it to the big airlines). I had experience that could not be duplicated, that made me a better candidate than some others, even though I was not the typical astronaut physically. So they were willing to overlook a few extra lbs even though the AME (Aero Medical Dr.) recomended not to hire me. But i have beenn much healthier and used much less sick leave that most others. But I still had way too much wrapped up in my carreer for the returns. Today you can plan to spend somewhere in the area of $300,000 + and 5 or more years to get an entry level job that pays $17,000 a year with the only bennefits being almost a garrentee of some furlough time. Probably be somewhere near 10 yrs before you could think of feeding a family. You can't take your skills next door, and get a job. If you do, you start all over at the bottom. Bottom pay, worst schedules, and the first to be furloughed, again. You NEED to have other skills, and a second job. The only way we survived the bad years, was I always had a second job. And the bad years reoccur. Doesn't matter if you have 25 yrs or 5 yrs, the bad years are always just around the corner.
    All so you can live under a microscope of govt,media,and company scrutiny. see what happens when you get speeding ticket, and some govt idiot in OKC thinks they should look into it. You think an IRS audit is bad, try an FAA audit. Every aspect of your private life is up to scrutiny at anytime by people who are jelous of you,hate you because you do something they can't, and they have absolutely no understanding of what you do, but have the power to make your life miserable. I like flying, I like being a pilot, I get tired of living out of a suitcase, i get tired of feeling like shit all the time because of jet lag, body clock screwed up, poor quality of available food, bio rythims screwed up, etc. I really get tired of the reduced pay and bennifits. I get tired of being hated by the company because I have to protect your life from thier quest of the bottom line, and hated by the public because I refuse to put them in harms way, so they can get where they want to go at the speed of sound when the outcome of that trip is in doubt. I hate being a target for every idiot that wants to make a big splash.
  10. oldmanb777

    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism!

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    And now I'm off to a funeral, a fallen comrad. Pilot I have flown with for many years. He rode a nice RT.
    Not sure what happened, but probably a blood clot. Appears triggered by long flt from India, and a virus they can't identify. :cry
  11. PvtIdaho

    PvtIdaho Deck Spotter

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    I like that idea. It looks versatile enough to work government and private contracts. The big questions are acquisition and operating costs and could you sell the improved reliability/safety/performance that the C-27s would bring to the market they would compete in? I'm guessing spares aren't going to come cheap.

    A good fire season could probably get the company off the ground if you could do a MAFFS conversion on the cheap. Make the wife the business owner and that'll give you a leg up in the bid process.

    Get to be known as the Go-To air company for FEMA and the Interagency Fire Center (Fire teams are being mobilized in "disasters" these days) and Global Climate Change could be a real money maker.

    Let me know if you need somebody to run the flight department. :D

    p.s. we'd need to equip the aircraft with refurbed Trail 90s for crew transport on deployment. KLRs wouldn't project the desired image...
  12. Shadow10

    Shadow10 Been here awhile

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    Experiences like this is what turned me off and I'm pretty sure many others. Lots of high time pilots I have spoken to have said they don't regret their choice, but if they were starting from scratch in the current climate, they would choose another career. I have personally seen a few people give up the commercial route when they experience the adversarial nature of the regulators. Many stories there. I'm more than happy to pay to have an IP with me when I fly. They need the hors and the income and I learn something every time.
  13. EVLED

    EVLED Bike riding nutter!

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  14. mfp4073

    mfp4073 Long timer

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    http://news.yahoo.com/myanmar-spitfire-hunt-leads-water-filled-crate-013203895.html

    YANGON, Myanmar (AP) — An excavation team searching for a stash of legendary World War II-era British fighter aircraft in northern Myanmar said a wooden crate believed to contain one of the planes has been found, full of muddy water.
    How much water damage occurred was not yet clear, and searchers could not definitively say what was inside the crate. But British aviation enthusiast David J. Cundall, who is driving the hunt for the rare Spitfire planes, called the results "very encouraging."
    "It will take some time to pump the water out ... but I do expect all aircraft to be in very good condition," Cundall told reporters Wednesday in Myanmar's main city, Yangon.
    The Spitfire helped Britain beat back waves of German bombers during the war that ended in 1945, and it remains the most famous British combat aircraft. About 20,000 Spitfires were built, although the dawn of the jet age quickly made the propeller-driven, single-seat planes obsolete.
    As many as 140 Spitfires — three to four times the number of airworthy models known to exist — are believed to have been buried in near-pristine condition in Myanmar by American engineers as the war drew to a close.
    The wooden crate was found in Myitkyina in Kachin state during a dig that began last month. Several digs are planned nationwide, including another near the airport in Yangon.
    Cundall said the search team in Kachin inserted a camera in the crate and found water. What else was inside the crate was unclear and pumping out the water could take weeks, he said.
    The go-ahead for excavation came in October when Myanmar's government signed an agreement with Cundall and his local partner.
    Under the deal, Myanmar's government will get one plane for display at a museum, as well as half of the remaining total. DJC, a private company headed by Cundall, will get 30 percent of the total and the Myanmar partner company Shwe Taung Paw, headed by Htoo Htoo Zaw, will get 20 percent.
    During the project's first phase, searchers hope to recover 60 planes: 36 planes in Mingaladon, near Yangon's international airport; six in Meikthila in central Myanmar; and 18 in Myitkyina. Others are to be recovered in a second phase.
    Searchers hope the aircraft are in pristine condition, but others have said it's possible all they might find is a mass of corroded metal and rusty aircraft parts.
    Cundall said the practice of burying aircraft, tanks and jeeps was common after the war.
    "Basically nobody had got any orders to take these airplanes back to (the) UK. They were just surplus ... (and) one way of disposing them was to bury them," Cundall said. "The war was over, everybody wanted to go home, nobody wanted anything, so you just buried it and went home. That was it."
    Stanley Coombe, a 91-year-old war veteran from Britain who says he witnessed the aircraft's burial, traveled to Myanmar to observe the search.
    It is "very exciting for me because I never thought I would be allowed to come back and see where Spitfires have been buried," Coombe said. "It's been a long time since anybody believed what I said until David Cundall came along."
  15. Hay Ewe

    Hay Ewe Just a Wannabe

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    Been off line for a week, and saw something about a problem with a JAL 787, a hole in the windscreen?
    I only saw the tv pics and no sound and was on a treadmill at the time

    whats the story?:ear

    Hay Ewe
  16. Hardware02

    Hardware02 Long timer

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    Let me Google that for you...
  17. Hay Ewe

    Hay Ewe Just a Wannabe

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    thank you
  18. Juanjo-X

    Juanjo-X X Adventurer

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    I used to build some models a few years ago. To be exact, I was building models until the born of my twins :lol3.. I'm now re-entering the plastic business again sloooowly...

    I wrote articles for specialized modeling mags by that time. Perhaps you would like to have a look at them... 1/72 scale all of them. Lots of scratch-build parts... Hope you enjoy'em.

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  19. pplassm

    pplassm Brace for collision!

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    Nice work!
  20. EvilGenius

    EvilGenius 1.5 Finger Discount

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    I forgot what it was like doing night time A&P classes. :snore

    Should be free about an hour from now. :cry