Aviation MegaThread!!!!

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by EvilGenius, Jan 1, 2009.

  1. Lornce

    Lornce Lost In Place

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  2. PvtIdaho

    PvtIdaho Deck Spotter

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    "United 747 pilot" would have been less redundant...

    Glad to hear you tried to warn her.
  3. vspeed

    vspeed Been here awhile

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    When people say that modern airliners are flown by button pushers or whatever, I always wish I could bring them up to the cockpit of my plane on some dark, rainy, windy night and let them show me how easy it is.
  4. ttpete

    ttpete Rectum Non Bustibus

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    When I left the Navy, I considered going for an A&P ticket until I found out how little money they made. I ended up spending 35 years at Ford Engineering as a research technician. The only A&P I knew who made decent money was a friend who worked for GM corporate aviation.
  5. Beamer Pilot

    Beamer Pilot Obviously a major malf...

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    I am not sure whether it is worth a reply however here goes:

    As I often stated, we all start with 0 hour in the log book. I just wonder these guys were probably hired off the street...don't you think they have been through the small aircraft right of passage?
    The ones who will never have a chance to sit on the flight deck, left or right seat are usually the most vocal and uneducated about what it takes to get there, I am surprised in this case! What's your license number?
    BTW if you call them Turkeys at least use a capital T if you don't mind.

    Yes you are right to some extent and I can prove that, I just spend seven hours re-learning to fly a tail-drager with a highly experienced tail wheel instructor (after more than 15 years on bigger a/c) to learn to handle my new Maule on 31" tires. It wasn't always pretty but I can do it again safely.

    Without revealing too much, I also sat on the "dark side" of the sim and done check rides where younger pilots (presumed computer literate from a young age) completely screwed up on glass.
    Don't bother answering this!
    Cheers.
  6. ttpete

    ttpete Rectum Non Bustibus

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    I'll bother. I think that the simulator check rides should include a situation where the pilot is over water past the point of no return and will have to hand-fly and land for say, 1500 NM with the landing to be manual and at night. Somewhere along the line they might include the situation that the French pilots found themselves in when they augered in over the South Atlantic. The co-pilot fucked that one up royally when the AC was in the shitter.

    The examiner should be able to kill almost everything and force the crew to fly manual VFR at any time. How many crews could divert to a military airbase and shoot a successful PAR approach and landing?
  7. Beamer Pilot

    Beamer Pilot Obviously a major malf...

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    I seem to remember an incident years ago where the top engine was used to overcome the loss of elevator authority...I never practiced that in the sim even after the incident...
    You can only present so many scenarios during a LOFT, lets just say that with your ass in the back would you rather have us trained on a one in a million hour incident or on more common issues like wind shear on take off at max gross max fuel or on arrival. just to name a few.
    Risk assessment is today's norm and the almighty dollar controls the amount of training available for crews and is not proportional to the low level of experience entering the cockpit.
    If you ever opened the flight deck door after shutdown in the middle of the runway covered in sweat and still shaking nervously to a roaring applause from the back you know what I mean...
    Remember you are only a good pilot when peers say so and not when you think you are.
    The day I hang up my license for good yes I will laugh at all the gear up landings and other screw ups by various crews. Until then I try to bring pax, crew and equipment home in one piece to the best of my ability with the cooperation of all professionals in aviation working with me and my F/O.
    I also include all the maintenance guys working in the background out of the public eye. I also include all ATC personnel, that calm monotone voice is often well received when it all goes for a shit.

    My point: be humble and hope that you can do better than other crews have done in the past when and if faced with the same malfunction.
    Until you are in the same situation you can comment but you will never know if you can do better and save the day and avoid the accident and loss of life.
    This is not criticism pointed at anyone only the way I see things.
  8. Lornce

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    Augered in. :scratch

    Didn't they just do a big ole' 35k foot mush into the Atlantic.

    :dunno
  9. ttpete

    ttpete Rectum Non Bustibus

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    Figure of speech.
  10. kfsinc

    kfsinc Chaingolian Observer

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    How's the saying go? Hours of boredom interspersed with moments of shear terror??

    I fly nearly every week -- and I'm continuously amazed that the 'system' and the planes, actually work. The amount of activity, engineering, and coordination that go on to getting me and everyone else from ORD or wherever, to wherever we're going is nothing short of genius. I have enough hours in a small GA plane to know that it's vastly different than a 747, however flying is flying -- and it's to FM those of us sitting in the back.

    Nice job guys and gals that make it happen :clap :clap
  11. skysailor

    skysailor Rat Rider

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    Beamer Pilot, You bought yourself a Maule? Very nice. I'm very lucky to have a buddy who loans me his Citabria on occasion. Kind of fun to just go fool around for shits and giggles on gusty days. Always been a bit of a cross wind "specialist". Must be from my DC3 days. LOL! The only fairly "modern" machine I've had my paws on was a 733. Steam dials. Kind of like the "Racer". My licence number is lower than the guys I fly with. I'm really enjoying my semi-retirement King Air gig, flying a three day week, in jeans! Fly safe, all!
    Lyle
  12. Beamer Pilot

    Beamer Pilot Obviously a major malf...

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    Yeah, back into paying for flying...
    Lots of old tail wheel time, minimal on 3s, some right seat on FPOX and FPOY owned by LAS back in the 70s. No license endorsement for me back then.

    I get the license thing, you file a flight plan by phone and there is a time lag while they wait for the rest of the numbers...I also gave up on giving total flight time when asked...they figure you must be 80 or older...:deal
    As for retirement, staring at me...soon.
    Possibly why I have so little time and patience for some of the occasional uneducated BS posted on various aviation sites.:kboom
  13. chazbird

    chazbird Long timer

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    Two weeks ago I was offered a flying job, in the same town, flying to the same places, in the same type of equipment, that I did in 1983. The pay then was fine, not over the top, but fine. This time the pay works out for inflation corrections at 61% less than it was 30 years ago. Of course 30 years of additional experience wouldn't have counted for anything either. I passed on it - staying unemployed. America is number one at thinking itself number one. For everything else....no, it isn't.
  14. Lornce

    Lornce Lost In Place

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    Dude, don't harsh the devine wonder and mysterious beauty of unfettered capitalism. :nono


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  15. chazbird

    chazbird Long timer

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    The reasons I don't have a G550 job* is despite trying to keep my mouth shut my suspicions about unfettered capitalism must be oozing from my pores and that sets off the "intruder alert" alarms. (* I am not a naive communist pinko, I am a mild capitalist, but not unfettered, and not all corporations are bad)
  16. skysailor

    skysailor Rat Rider

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    I'd love to fly a G550. I could NOT put up with the political bull shit, though. I'd probably tell the wrong guy to go fuck himself within the first week I'm very intolerant of stupidity!
    Lyle
  17. chazbird

    chazbird Long timer

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    There are some amazing corporate flying gigs. But there are also some that aren't. The trick, a mighty trick, is landing one of the former. A friend flew for this individual, a nice plane and all. Got a call at midnight and had to get up at 3 AM to tractor plow the private runway, take off at 6 AM, spend 3 days in Florida chained to a beeper (pre-cell phone) at a motel. He did get a call from the boss to go buy the boss some underwear. He couldn't find the giant size he needn't (got the largest he could find though) and so he was berated by the boss. Friend now flies for UPS.
  18. Lornce

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    May your gene pool increase before it's too late.

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  19. Beamer Pilot

    Beamer Pilot Obviously a major malf...

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    Unfortunately, by the time the door slams behind you there will be four guys competing for your job willing to take it for lower pay - that is the problem with aviation until you get into the heavies and then the bullshit shifts but doesn't stop.
    The "amazing corporate flying gigs" are at the mercy of the bean counters and the economy as we can see today. No telling how long they will last.
    In the 80s (oil downturn) every bum panhandling in the streets of Calgary had a Citation endorsement.
  20. skysailor

    skysailor Rat Rider

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    Up here in the GWN, where Beamer Pilot and I fly, there are pilots lining up to spend upwards of ten thousand dollars in upfront money to "buy" a job. Actually, 10K is pretty standard. Can any industry be more fucked up that aviation in Canada? I very much doubt it!