Avon Storm Ultra II Delamination Crash

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by ravenranger, Nov 13, 2010.

  1. midengineracer

    midengineracer Lost, with a GPS

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    RR, I am sure you have seen the Law Tigers ads, bike-riding lawyers (per the commercials and cards at some of the local shops). Just another piece to think about (if that isn't who you talked to already).

    As far as the blowout/puncture the other guy is talking about, it isn't a puncture (that massive would have been noticed before you hit it) and when the tire delaminates, it looses a lot of it's strength and would... blow out. Let some pros in to investigate it.

    I was also going to mention that it is about the same weight rating used on the big BMW's. His weight calcs are way off. You would be pretty hard pressed to get 700lbs on the rear wheel by yourself and I know you weren't sitting on the pillion seat :thumb
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  2. A.J.

    A.J. Been here awhile

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    What did the lawyer say?
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  3. me109g4

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    Nice piece of riding there,, glad you are ok.
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  4. IKIGAI

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    With that list of damage, I would expect the bike to be a 'total loss'.

    I had an '03 ST1300 and was rear-ended at a red light in Monterrey CA (by another bike!) and collected most of the plastic pieces and luggage bits, duct taped them back in place and rode the bike for another 12 days back to Vancouver.

    When the dealer was done with the R&R, the total bill came to just over $8200 CDN. The bike was already 4 years old with about 44000km on it, and it was borderline whether or not the insurance company was going to write it off. They ended up fixing it, because like a fool, I had it insured for too high a value. If I would have kept the replacement value low, I would have got a total payout instead.

    When the rear wheel was replaced, I had the dealer install a set of Avon Storms on the bike. They were a pretty good tire, didn't wear as well as the BTO's, but good in the wet and handled nicely.

    I've been riding for over 32 years now, and have never seen a tire do that -- If it were me, I would consider it a faulty tire, find legal counsel, have it documented on the accident report and start chasing Avon.
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  5. Brooklyn Rob

    Brooklyn Rob Do'h!

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    Remember about ten years ago the dunlops on valkyries were also delaminating and of course honda wouldn't acknowledge any of it. l think they tried to blame all of the riders whose tires basically disintigrated-
    too much air, not enough air, overloaded, underloaded, red bike, blue bike, etc.
    You get the idea.

    Oh, and tomorrow l'm picking up my new goldwing! (Seriously.)

    l hope they straightened that tire thing out.

    Wait, according to honda, there was no tire thing.
    So l should be ok.
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  6. ravenranger

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    I spoke with an attorney friend I trust who checked around for a liability attorney for me and basically said that it was too bad I didn't die or get paralyzed. If I had, I'd have a hella lawsuit for big money but since I'm not dead, it will be tough finding someone to go after the tire company for the bike loss.....

    Meanwhile, I spent yesterday in Roswell at Champion Motorsports and am still shocked at the force of the crash writ large on my smashed bike. The guys at the shop were just amazed that anyone could have survived it, as am I. It was both good and difficult to be there but I was able to thank them in person for being so righteous with someone they didn't know.

    If you're ever in Roswell, NM - Champion is tops!
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  7. BikePilot

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    That seems reasonable advice. It may still be worth asking Avon to cover the cost of your bike and such (particularly if you don't carry comprehensive insurance). If it was insured and insurance paid out, there may be a subrogation clause that would give the insurer the right to recoup whatever they paid out from any liable parties - I don't know of course, but its not uncommon.

    The value of the bike isn't close to enough to pay for much litigation - I've been a lawyer for almost a month and I think (don't actually know :lol3 ) I cost somewhere well north of $200/hr. Product defect cases tend to be brought when either someone gets hurt or there are enough claims that they can be aggregated and the cost of litigation spread across many claims (most commonly through a class action, though there are other means often used to achieve similar results as well).
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  8. russbryant

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    Raven,

    Thanks for the link to this post as I never really found out the details of your crash. So glad you were not seriously hurt. It's a bit weird for me that my faceplant (not tire related) here in Vermont was on the same day as this thread started 11/13/10 :eek1

    I was doing half your speed and...well, you saw my broken bone count. I'm not sure how high in the air I got but I hit the pavement about 30 feet from impact from what I was told. I had plenty of air time to think "this is really going to hurt".

    I also made a decision to wear my First Gear overpants that day for the extra warmth. They have padding and my wife said they don't have a mark on 'em.

    Stay well and I'll see you when I get back to Tucson.

    Russ
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  9. Draechon

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    Ravenranger, I've been subscribed to this thread since I saw the first post, but never heard the outcome. Has it been settled and are you able to share?
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    Ditto. I haven't heard from you at all in a while. :ear
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  11. ravenranger

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    Reviving an old thread but....

    I've been contacted by NHTSA and asked for more info on my Storm 2 delamination. I've forwarded my info to them.

    They asked me to ask those of you that have had issues with the Avon Storm 2's to do the following:

    So, if you still have your old tires or you have the information from the tires, please take a few minutes and share that info with NHTSA. Also, feel free to cross-post the call for info on any other motorcycle forums you may be on.

    Thanks!
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  12. O.C.F.RIDER

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    Yup!
    Put a set of Azaro ST's on the 1000 Interceptor
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    (with some trepidation), and I have to say, I like 'em....................a lot. I guess I'll see what more miles brings. I hope no nasty surprises.

    Chris
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  13. nwdub

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    ok i'll send them my stuff.

    had a storm II ultra (av56) on the rear of my FZR600

    had a weird tread splice thing. like their blocks of tread are split into sections and one of the sections started coming off within 500 miles of having the tire.

    it was such a fucking hassle trying to deal with avon (I didn't have the money for another $200 tire to front until they gave me a refund months later) so I sold the bike to a buddy and let him deal with it (he was fully aware of the issue)
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  14. conwaykram

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    Any new info on these Avon AV56 Storm 2 Ultra tires?

    I have heard good info on these and have had no problems with my Azaros or Storms. About to buy new tires for by R1100 RT and looking at
    Avon AV56 Storm 2 Ultra
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  15. O.C.F.RIDER

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    UPDATE:
    I put over 5000 miles on the Azaro's, and they worked great! They are just about worn out now and I'm going to try a set of Pirelli Sport Demon's on the big Interceptor. Not because I haven't liked the Avon's, but because I have them on the MV, I like 'em, and I always like to try different tires. But, if the Pirelli's weren't in stock I would of got the Avon's again in a heartbeat.

    Chris
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  16. freecat

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    I just had a Storm II Ultra fail yesterday:

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    The bike is a '93 Suzuki VX800. I was riding locally (read no luggage). Wet weight of that bike is about ~510 lbs, so much lighter than the ST1300s and FJRs experiencing failures.

    The blow out itself was without drama. The rear end of the bike just started to wiggle, but I was able to slow down and come to a stop. If you've experienced head shake, that's far scarier than what I experienced.

    My pet theory is that the Storm II Ultra (you see no such reports on the original Storm or its predecessor, the Azaro) is for some reason very susceptible to road hazard damage. Specifically, it's prone to cuts that then make the tire bubble up slightly (I was experiencing a bumpy ride yesterday and kept playing with the shock clickers to deal with it). Then the tire either pops or pops and then peels.

    Searching around, I've not seen any such issues with the front tire.

    Whatever, I won't run that tire again. However it's my belief that this is not a problem across Avon's range, but is specific to the Storm II Ultra. It's a shame, because the VX is very limited in tire choices.

    BTW my betrothed roadside assistant loaded the kids in the minivan and picked me up, after which I came home, pulled the rear wheel off of my other VX (which has a new Azaro mounted), drove back to where the bike was sitting, swapped the wheel out, and rode home.
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  17. SilentRay

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    Rehashing an old post. Just had a blowout on a Avon Storm that only had 450 miles on it. Doing speed limit of 65 on I 40. 98 ST1100. Ring two up with luggage.

    Managed to coast to a stop. Got towed to Honda shop and new (different) tire going on tomorrow so we can get back home.

    Pics n more info tomorrow.
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  18. SilentRay

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    "Riding" two up
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  20. SilentRay

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    Will do. Been awake since 4. Cant sleep thinking about what could have happened. Gonna try not to dwell on that.
    Thanks
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