Awww damnit!

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by FlySniper, Oct 16, 2010.

  1. FlySniper

    FlySniper Bleh...

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    I think the Hellion project may be what I'm wanting anyway! I keep looking at all the stuff available for the GY-6 engines...
    I don't have a scoot yet, but I'm already building the engine for one in my head.:evil



    And you guys are right, my bad, it's an Elite 150 and the Helix 250... I've found both for under $1000 and there's a Chinese copy of the Helix still being made. It's supposed to be pretty good.

    I just traded around and got a Honda Accord as a project car... think I may just put it up on the block to finance a new scoot. I seldom drive anyway and with cold weather coming up it would be nice to have some wind protection!
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  2. sinned

    sinned Been here awhile

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    There are several Chinese manufacturers who make a 150cc 'Honda Helix' clone. One of the better manufacturers is CFMoto, who actually do export a number of their models including the 'Helix' see here
    OP I'd not bother with any of the other Chinese brands making the 'Helix' though having owned a 2007 CFMoto 250T-VIP since new and now a CFMoto Jetmax (CF250T-6A), I've no hesitation is recommending any newish CFMoto model you might come across.
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  3. btcn

    btcn Long timer

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    sinned, I agree with you that CF motos are pretty good quality. But I did not see any 150 cc Helix, just a 250 cc Helix look a like.
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  4. sinned

    sinned Been here awhile

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    CFMoto, aren't 100% perfect by any means, but they are better than the average Chinese motorcycle manufactured in mainland China. When I write average, that means below-average in real terms. It might seem as a heavy criticism but I've seen too many Chinese made bikes and scoots here in PR China, and even been into a couple of the manufacturers plants. Recently I visited Geely motorcycles in Taizhou less than 2 months ago, looking at a 250cc concept model... but walked through all the assembly lines. Looked at all kinds of frames lined up, and I shook my head at just how bad the welds were.

    It seems as though the 150cc CFMoto 'Helix' isn't available outside Chinese mainland according to the CFMoto international website.
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  5. btcn

    btcn Long timer

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    Wow, that is sad how they let those frames go through the factory. I used to have a chinese scooter, and I ended up busting the frame in two, and after getting it welded back the motor seized up, and cause me to dump the bike from 35+ mph, which is when I went Honda. I had SO many problems on that piece of crap. I know that there are some decent quality chinese bikes, such as Lifan, and a few others, but the majority of the bikes coming out of mainland china aren't exactly something I would commute on, or even ride at speeds over 20 mph on:eek1 .
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  6. FlySniper

    FlySniper Bleh...

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    Food for thought on the Chinese scoots. The street and trail I had was a Lifan, not a bad bike, but the welds were less than stellar. I wouldn't want anything with worse welds than that bike had.

    I guess for the displacement/price/quality I'm looking for it'll just about have to be an older Honda.
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    btcn Long timer

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    Awesome! I would look on craigslist for an Elite 250, Helix, or Elite 150.
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  8. jdgretz

    jdgretz Looking for new places

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    Use this link to search for you new scooter. You can limit the search to your state, area, or let it rip for the whole US.

    Good luck,

    jdg
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  9. techguy

    techguy Scooter Trash

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    Another converted inmate! :freaky

    Get a good scoot.

    I know the china-scooters are cheap but unless you are looking for a hobby, stick with Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Kymco or Sym. Genuine and Vespa are good if you are looking for vintage or vintage styled bikes. This is pretty much my short list. Get a big wheeled scooter for a smoother ride, Vespa and other small wheeled scooters are more nimble but twitchy. scooter with 150 and less cc are good for city riding and liquor cycles, but I don't like riding in the gutter. I think buying a smaller bike and hopping it up to go faster reduces the reliability and increases the cost to the point where you may as well get a 250 or 300 cc scooter.

    To me, a 250/300cc scooter is the sweet spot. They are typically small enough to be a "scooter" but fast enough to be used on a freeway for touring and can carry two riders with ease. You can get them in small or large wheeled formats. They can normally achieve 75-85 MPH. Big hills mountains can slow to about 50 MPH.

    The 400-650cc scooters are great of you want to tour or ride two-up for longer distances. Normally they can get up to 85-105 MPH. They are not bothered by mountains or heavy loads.
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  10. MillCreek

    MillCreek ADV Risk Manager

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    Aprilia offers several scoots in the size range mentioned here.
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