Back in the shop, again!

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Thunder Pig, Apr 28, 2013.

  1. Hikertrash

    Hikertrash Wasted Rock Ranger

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    These are great bikes, but if you get a bad one, you can be out of a bike for some time. My buddy had problems with his new bike and it was at the dealer for over a month waiting on parts from Germany. Dealers don't to Multi-day loaners so they gave him a gift card for the amount of his monthly payment. I'd prefer cash because who wants to buy overpriced accessories at a dealer? I've had great luck with my '11 GSA, but I would've bought a Tenere had they been available at the time I bought mine.


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  2. Thunder Pig

    Thunder Pig Been here awhile

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    Well I got caught in a rain storm and washed away the evidence. Just have to keep riding it and watch for more leaks. :D

    The tranny oil level, is that checked on the center stand or on the wheels held upright?

    The amount of oil leaked so far isn't a lot, it's just visible in several locations so even if it is engine oil it's only a tablespoon or so and probably not visible in the oil sight glass yet.

    Even if it is only a tablespoon that's too much!

    Hopefully I don't have a "bad one" and I wouldn't think it would take that long to get and install a seal or two. But I'll remember the gift card equal to a months payment, good idea.
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  3. Gezerbike

    Gezerbike Hey Rocky...........

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    Trans get checked on the centerstand. Sounds like you have not brought this to the attention of a dealer. You probably should let them know what you saw, so you have a date and mileage on record. In writing is good. IF they offer to repair it now, great. Otherwise, just drive it until you can't then use your warranty to repair it. Nothing wrong about getting a new clutch and free service on a bike with 25,000 to 30,000 miles. I wouldn't sell it now or trade it in......your going to take a pretty good bath, especially with the WC bikes coming out. Never having owned a new BMW, I can't put myself in your shoes.......and that is probably one of the reason I have not bought a new one. Hope it all works out for you..........
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  4. jackhammer50

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    Hey Ted, Where do you usually ride around here? Ever get up to Blackwater? i just got a new (12) GS from the same dealer. The service dept seems to know their stuff... at least to me.
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  5. wb5plj

    wb5plj Been here awhile

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    with it going so long since the trany replace I would not suspect they are related either. I would say you answered my question when you said that you trust them and he does a good job. when you can't see the insides you have to go from an evaluation of what you can see fit and finish, or what ever details you can see etc.

    tell them you would like to see the insides I see no reason why they would say no. so long as you are not trying to have them keep it split open for a couple of days in there garage while you wonder by. most of the time the good ones are very willing to show you how it all works etc.. I also like this.
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  6. wb5plj

    wb5plj Been here awhile

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    I haven't contacted the dealer yet (where closed) I will talk with them today and give them a chance to respond, that is only fair, before I go to far. but I will tell the story. Ill kick off another thread when I do that. I have also only heard good things about both of those dealers. for that mater all three dealers in MO, there is one in Cape Geradu MO as well.
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  7. Thunder Pig

    Thunder Pig Been here awhile

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    JackH;
    I ride where ever the wind or rain takes me. Yeah I ride in Blackwater, used to all the time but riding partner doen't leave his bike around here much so stopped. I went with a group out of Milton once on their Sunday rides, mostly real dirt bikes. I think I heald my own and maybe turn a few heads. Would like to go more! PM me and we'll make a plan!

    Yeah I think they are pretty good group and don't my issues are related to the dealer at all actually.

    Gezerbike, I have brought it to the dealers attention and have an appointment this Friday to have it fixed or blessed or duely noted. May just drop in today and let them check it out as any excuse to ride somewhere is a good one. I have been kicking it around and I'm going to keep it and just ride it. If this is the last issue I have then it's all good. I have never owned a BMW before and was hoping for a better experience, but it's early in the game. Get the gremlins out now!
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  8. Thunder Pig

    Thunder Pig Been here awhile

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    I went to my local dealer and had the mechanic take a look. He stuck a finger in the oil and took a sniff. He asked me if the bike had been on it's left side recently. I replied why yes it did take a dirt nap earlier in the day that I noticed the oil leakage. He took me over to a transmission for a GS that was apart and pointed to a small black plastic widget on the top of the tranny. "This is the vent for the trans. Since the trans vent is not in the center, because of the shape of the trans, if it is layed on the left side oil can come out of the vent and run down the engine just like what you have here." (Light bulb comes on over my head) I ask about smell of the oil not being stinky and he said the newer trans oil doesn't have the strong smell of the old gear lube. He recommended do a though cleaning, check trans fluid level and check to see if level changes or more seepage happens then we can do more checking and pulling apart as needed.

    So I learned another GS qwerk. Never had a bike where the oil could leak oil out the trans vent. Now this guy could have been totally full of it, but it makes sense and it fits the situation. Now I just have to clean it, note the oil levels and ride it and watch what happens.

    Bottom line, bike doesn't appear broken and the trouble free streak can contiune from the trans replacement at 1k miles, at 5k now. Best possible result in my book, except I didn't get any free stuff. Got free advise, get a AirHawk to make seat comfortable.

    I hope this will put this issue to bed.

    Now someone can chime in about how that can't possible be right because they never use the stand and just lay their bike on the left side and it never leaks. Look forward to hearing about it as I may learn something new and I haven't learned anything new today and I have a quota of one new thing per day.

    How do you wash these things anyway, it not in the manual or the FAQ?
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  9. cjack

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    You don't wash a GS. I went to a BMW Service Manager school once where the instructor advised the dealers to wash the customers' bikes before returning them after maintenance. And one of the guys told a story about a customer of theirs that got really ticked off when they washed his GS. He remarked that it took 2 years of not washing it to get it looking right!
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  10. Thunder Pig

    Thunder Pig Been here awhile

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    So riding in the rain and splashing puddles is not washing and therefore allowable correct?
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  11. Anorak

    Anorak Woolf Barnato

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    Washing a vehicle is an excellent way to find small issues before they turn into big failures. It also removes all sorts of crap that will cause corrosion.
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  12. Thunder Pig

    Thunder Pig Been here awhile

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    Oh yeah that is how I found this "problem" wasn't it. Yes I admit it I'm a washer. Busted.

    No, not as circular disc of metal with a hole in the middle. That would be stupid.
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  13. Hikertrash

    Hikertrash Wasted Rock Ranger

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    Interesting about the vent. My GSA was damn near upside down on the left side when I went rock crawling with it and I never had any fluids leak.


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  14. Thunder Pig

    Thunder Pig Been here awhile

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    If the front was higher than back oil would be away from vent as it at the very front of the trans, forgot to mention that. Mine was kinda nose low with the hard bag on a ridge in the road with front bars in the trough, ah low spot. Think it one of those perfect storm things. Hope to not do it again, bag landed on my ankle and I thought I broke it. Was hopping around for a bit. Then discover I would be ok and picked it up. Maybe 10 minutes of nap time. Hurt like a bitch, stupid sand in Florida!
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  15. acejones

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    That's a lot of bike to be riding in those sugar sand backwoods.
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  16. Thunder Pig

    Thunder Pig Been here awhile

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    My problem was I was going too slow. Yeah it's a beast in the sand and it isn't fun. I used to ride alot of dirt and learned how to do pretty well in sand and you just have to have a good head of steam and hope you don't have to turn much. Knobbies would have been nice, have Tourance EXP's on it and was just exploring some dirt trails and it got me.
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    :-)
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  18. Thunder Pig

    Thunder Pig Been here awhile

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    I thought the vent was the problem. They told me the vent was the problem so there is no problem.

    There was a problem. Now the vent may have leaked as they said and a part of the oil was from the vent. Unfortunatly the rest was from the crank and counterbalancer seals.

    I kept telling them that I still had some oil and the dealer finally pulled the starter as oil was dripping from it. Low and behold it had oil on it from the inside. They admitted it had a problem that was not the vent. They couldn't tell if it was the new transmission or the crank so they had to take it apart again.

    Once apart they found the trans seal was dry. Further disassembly found the crank seal leaking and the balancer covered with oil. They couldn't tell if it was leaking so they just changed it since they where there anyway. The clutch wasn't oiled as it was caught early enough.

    So now it's fixed. But whats next? My red frame is all beat up from the work and I had to insist on some paint to touch it up, they where just going to leave it. Two more years of warranty to go, hopefully with no more problems. They did have a new wethead with LED headlight and dynamic suspension and gps package on the floor in red, my favorite color, but I don't want to be a beta tester for a new model.

    So I guess it's just ride it and hope for the best. If after the next year I don't have any more problems I guess I'll be good but if it has to be broke in half again I think I'm done. Not sure what to replace it with, maybe just sell it off to pay for some daughter schooling.
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    def Ginger th wonder dog

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    Think positive...yer gonna be OK.

    Now, go fire up the pit, get the ribs cookin' and make sure the beer is chilled.

    Happy 4th.
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