Back injury

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  1. heffergm

    heffergm Long timer

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    For the third time this season I've thrown my back out (all on the bike). Seems to really just be related to some angle I'm at when lifting up. Never happened before, no crashes. Basically a sharp pain way down in my lower back, enough to make me yell involuntarily the last time it happened. After the initial ouchie I'm laid up for about a week, incredibly stiff lower back, what feels like a bit of a nerve pinch. No radiating pain down the legs, so doesn't seem like sciatica. Then the pain is gone, but clearly I've irritated something that makes it more prone to recur.

    Anyway, I'm never going to let anyone with a knife near my back voluntarily, so aside from rest, anyone have any suggestions (c'mon, I know all you old guys have bad backs). I was thinking of trying a kidney belt.
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  2. bigredroosta

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    My 2 bobs worth.....
    I have had this happen to me lifting a heavy branch over a fence. The weight was low heavy and out front away from your body. I bent my back too much and didn't lift with my legs, like I'd done many times but this time something went click.
    Man it hurt!!
    I had to crawl back into the vehicle and drive home, crawl inside, swallowed 3 paracetamol 2 nurofen and laid on the couch.
    next 3 days walked occasionally looking like I'd pooed my pants..laying on the floor helped a lot.
    Take time to let it heal, avoid any sitting or laying position which aggravates the pain, and make sure your bed isn't exacerbating it, ie too soft and saggy
    Anyway, I've seen this happen to many of my compatriots in their 40's and 50's, its an age related thing the body just caves into excessive lifting heavy weight improperly not using your legs with a straight spine.
    I eventually got better but now won't lift anything with a bent spine.
    And my back is permanently stiffer ie less flexible, and I still injure it occasionally but less seriously, so..

    Always lift using a straight spine and with your leg power.
    Try to get the weight as near your body as you can
    Get someone to help if it's heavy, don't be a hero
    Avoid surgery.
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  3. 2whlrcr

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    Can't help you much, when I had my back pain from riding (well technically from crashing), it took 8 hours of surgery, 3 days ICU, 8 weeks body cast and another year, before it felt good again.

    But I'd go to a Chiro and/or try an inversion table. Works for me when I get old man back pain syndrome.
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  4. heffergm

    heffergm Long timer

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    Small aside, but do some research on the history of chiropractic. It's rather interesting.
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  5. RDW920

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    If it disc this won't help (I had that surgery before....) but I also sprained my lower bag sand bagging for flood. Through PT I found an exercise that when I occurs now (often) I do one set of this and pain is gone.
    Not sure the correct term on the movement but sit in a chair, couple of stiff pillows between knees, squeeze and release 20x , the an exercise band, wrap around your knees push out and release 20X. In a pinch on a jobsite, I have put knees out side 2 wood studs, and squeeze in, then inside and push out....just make sure no one is around
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  6. Bonalan65

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    If you go to this site you can read for free . I ended up buying her books because what I read for free worked . Any time I start having problems I go back to the book to figure out what I'm doing wrong . Hope this helps you ,it did me . It even has pictures for dummies like me .
    http://www.drbookspan.com/BackPainArticle.html
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  7. 2whlrcr

    2whlrcr gooligan

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    Hey look, Rob's doing his kegels!
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  8. VxZeroKnots

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    Go to the gym work on your core and lose as much weight as possible would be my first steps.
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  9. heffergm

    heffergm Long timer

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    Ummmm... I'm 5'10" and typically weigh in at 135lbs.
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  10. VxZeroKnots

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    So then gain some muscle! Gotta support that skeleton
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  11. 2whlrcr

    2whlrcr gooligan

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    There's your problem, you're wasting away!
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  12. BarrieCTaylor

    BarrieCTaylor Been here awhile

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    Get a side stand and eliminate the lifting.
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  13. MATTY

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    OK! i have a back condition from birth not rare i am told, Scoliosis (spelling) Now scoliosis is a fancy medical term for a bent spine my back as a chicane in it LOL!.
    I never was diagnosed with this as a kid it slipped through the net from what i can tell, but by the time i was in my late teens i knew i had a back problem and the nature of my life round the farm and work i knew at some point things would get worse.
    By my early 40s i was in the medical mill physiotherapy e rays ultra sound, , now these things all helped up to a point, but were no complete solution. At this time i got one sound piece of advice from an physio she said that i had to work out what worked as regards long term day on day solution to help my condition.
    At that point exercises were building the muscle tissue up around the misshapen vertebrae and i was getting increased pain and sciatica in my right leg directly due to my back condition, this did cause a tingling sensation which as kind of worked out as a warning light for me knowing if i don't stop i will pay for it later.
    The general opinion on my back is that i have to get by with a reasonable quality of life and too much exercise as well as too little exercise have detrimental defects on the activities i can do and pain involved.
    currently i am 14stone 4lbs 6ft so about 16 17lbs overweight to where i like to be 13 stone to 13.5 is where i do best, and i am noticing the fact i am a little porky right now is not only effecting my right knee more, but its starting to slow down my exercising which means i am currently trying to lose weight via diet and to be honest starvation is about the only way thats going to work.
    Working on bikes on the ground is killing my bike at the moment, bending over typical car bonnet / engine bay hight is just the right angle to induce a numbing pain, and after an hour or even half hour some days i am walking around permanently bent over as straightening hurts.
    I think if you got a condition first get the medical world to look at it and advise, but ulltimately its going to be you day after day who is feeling the pain acting on that pain exercising or not as the case may be, this is the only way to lead a normal decent quality life, fair wear and tear is on thing but juggling your problems to hopefully interact with one another is an evermore difficult act to achieve, and i am sure at some point one or more of the faults is going to draw a line under current activity, that is of course if something else does not kill me/ us first.
    The oft quoted better to burn out than rust adage is a good moto to follow i believe, i need to loose a stone at least and i am spending what spare tome i have on horseback or bicycles motorcycles or swimming. Swimming is an awesome activity if you dont go regularly Start is my advice . Lucky enough to have a couple of moors ponies and a hunter to ride and i must say gentle rising trot is a good fat burner too and in the nice weather currently i am out and loving it.
    Its beautiful here in the borders. my stomping ground.
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  14. Buschog

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    Core strength, flexibility, hydration.

    Yoga is good for the first two.
    I used to think i had a weak back, and I do to a degree. But I have learned over the years that I drink too much coffee, and not nearly enough water. When I get underhydrated, I am prone to wrench the muscles.
    See a massage therapist. Not a masseuse at a spa. A certified massage therapist can work out the knots, and find knots in other areas that actually cause the pain you feel. When my upper right back hurts, it's a knot in my lower left, right above the glute causing it.

    Chiropractic care may help to get stuff realigned, if you're out of whack. But can be a waste of time if overly tight muscles are pulling everything right back out of alignment.

    Accupuncture is "a dark art". Not really, but it's awful weird to have a needle stuck in your forehead, and feel it release muscle tension in an "unrelated" area of your body.

    I've done all 3. Each has its place. But, again, for me it's almost always caused by lack of hydration.
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  15. Reamer

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    Core strength, and ham string flexibility have helped me recover from back injuries. Can’t hurt, anyway.
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  16. NorskieRider

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    Back issues here too (2x herniated discs and some sciatica). The following is what works for me - and I too will avoid surgery as long as I can.

    Going to the Dr doesn't mean surgery - at least you can get an MRI and see what's really going on, if only to know what not to do, so you don't do more damage which may require future damage.

    Follow up with PT (or if chiro - at least a chiropractor that's more into PT stuff than that Palmer woo). Future relapses may just need a single trip to the PT for instant relief instead of weeks of slowly getting better. Your PT should also prescribe which strengthening exercises to perform (and avoid).

    This way you'll get professional advice based on evidence (rather than anecdotal evidence from inmates) and a plan to deal with and avoid future relapses.
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  17. Adanac rider

    Adanac rider Oh Shit I slept in " Oh wait ... I'm retired"

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    What worked for me was a tall middle aged blond . (chiropractor) early morning appointment , no coffee yet and a couple Advil . As mentioned previously you need to be relaxed to enable the spine to be straitened and then exercise and proper lifting techniques to strengthen and prevent further injury . It took about 3 months for me to get straightened out because I was going in there all stiff and tense . My neck was the worst part . Massage therapist before chiropractor is probably a good idea too . A lot of good info here , thanks for starting thread .:gerg
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  18. lineaway

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    Luckily even with my 40 year old beer belly, I have a pretty strong core. Every so often I get enough back pain that I can`t hardly move. Just one percocet just at bed time fixes me just fine.
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  19. DyrWolf

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    The pain is usually fluid in the wrong part of a disc. Picture a small water balloon in your back with the water squeezed to one side pressing on a nerve You need to squeeze it back to the other side UNLESS you have a tear , then you must rest. After you heal you can work on core . I think the best is isometric. Lay on your back knees bent pretend you need to go to the bathroom. 1 and 2 and hold it in and breathe at the same time. later you can add leg and arm lifts to it
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  20. kawagumby

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    I'm 70 and have a very worn-out back, but I still ride. I've had sciatica so bad I needed to walk with a walker, the most pain I've ever encountered - worse than kidney stones. I went to see my chiropractor but he was on vacation, which turned out to be a good thing.
    So here's what I did on my own that worked to fix me back up:

    1. Bought the "Back Bubble". This is like a big truck inner tube that you can hang from. It takes the weight off your spine while you hang there...it is portable, light and handy - better than an expensive inversion table, IMO. This is what reduced the pain nearly immediately by reducing compression on the nerve(s). Amazon carries them.
    2. For long-term conditioning I bought an inexpensive treadmill. I don't use it to run or get in shape, I use it to walk on at brisk pace while I lean forward and press my weight down on the hand bars, thus reducing pressure along the spine while bathing the disk areas with oxygenated fluids. It works. If I skip the treadmill for a week or so, the back pain starts to come back. I do this for 10 minutes every day.

    I have purchased books on core strengthening, and special exercises for the spine and SI (sacroiliac) joints (mine are shot and loose also) and none of what they say has helped. I do use an SI belt always (a wide belt that fits just below the pants belt)...that helps keep the loose SI joints from getting too stressed, and I use an ACE hardware back brace when I ride. I like the wider support the ACE belt gives vs motorcycle kidney belts. I do cut off the unnecessary suspender straps. I ride very rough and technical trails every week, and although I'm very sore afterward, I don't experience the electric-shock, spasm-inducing kind of back problems I've had before. I ride everything from a 270 lb plated dirt bike to my trials bike, and like everyone else, sooner or later I have to lift them all up from the ground.

    I also use pillow-type massagers and a TENS machine (AMREX MS322, professional unit about $500 but worth it) now and then when things get rough. I've had the TENS machine for about 10 years now, and it can be a life saver - it helps my wife also, if she gets a back spasm.
    My conditioning always has been and continues to be riding dirt.

    I also found out that I can no longer sleep on my side. I had to retrain myself to sleep only on my back with the mattress adjusted to support my back in the right places.

    Hope that helps.
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