Bad Luck

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by SkiFastBadly, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. bighairless

    bighairless Adventurer

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    Yep, November is the winner. October, November and December lead in the numbers.

    Rather than what two months...I should have said the two times a year or two events in the life of deer that result in the highest number of collisions. Mating season is the worst time to be in deer areas (fall). Right after does give birth (may /June) in the spring is another bad time. Mothers can travel a little farther to get to and from food/water/baby.

    Did you know the insurance companies have a hand in bag limits. Yep, deer collisions by location statistics are used.
    In my state, the numbers are about 1 in 100 licensed motorists will hit a deer next year.

    Edit: I see Snapper posted some charts while I was typing. :)
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  2. crofrog

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    That's how you know it was your time... When a fucking tree falls out of the sky and smites you.
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  3. bighairless

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    Some people able to fit events into a neat, narrow, category. Congrats!

    All you need to understand is time, distance, speed and line of clear sight. If you never exceed a speed that will allow something else to occupy the same space...good for you (you better get that 1980's moped tuned up). If your capable of doing the math a previous post will help you determine how much distance is needed and the very low speed needed to avoid such 'interactions'...Do you slow way down at night? Do you ever exceed the distance/time/space/speed needed to avoid sharing space with some critter?

    I really am happy for your many years of great riding and I hope the next 35 are much in the same but if you ride in deer (animal) country and you don't do what was discussed in the previous paragraph, it IS about luck for you...:deal Keep trying the lottery.
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  4. corndog67

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    The first big mistake is thinking that you ride so well that you've taken most of the risk out of it.
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  5. rivercreep

    rivercreep Banned

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    I can only laugh at this point in conversation.:rofl:rofl:rofl

    I think a few here need to re-read my first post if they think I'm saying I'm perfect and it can't happen to me.:ear

    Here's one more hint as to how I'm thinking...

    Look at the Deer strike table that was posted here. Now take note as to if you will slow down during those months to help minimize the risk or if you continue on at the same old pace.
    If you continue on at the same old pace (now that you've been educated a little) = whose at fault?
    ...and yet, some will call ME ignorant.:D
    I'm surprised no one posted a time of day time table as well.:ear
    (never mind! missed it! DOH! ...Hope I miss the deer too!)

    If I don't go just a little bit slower during the higher strike periods and ride with a little more caution, how am I NOT AT FAULT? (if I still manage to strike a Deer)
    True, it can still happen but, I never said it couldn't and as I stated, it's MY FAULT for riding to begin with (and as I also noted, I'd rather LIVE in the now than die before I'm dead) but, I'm willing to live with the consequences. (even if that means death)
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  6. crofrog

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    you could just go allot faster eventually you'll just cut the deer in half.
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  7. bighairless

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    Read your first post again...:huh How about the others? I might miss the warning signs. :bow
    You have been talking jive about headlamps/perepheral vision/situational awareness/habits/skills/pointing straight at the deer while scrubbing of speed... because they always run from predators :eek1 (they never freeze and get plowed by cars :lol3). I've never seen that happen (twice-just not me those times). Now your talking about slowing down (after I did some math for you) during peak times/months or it's the riders fault..and you think your first posts didn't appear ignorant? :hmmmmm
    Thank you so much for clearing it up for me. Why didn't you just say so in the first place...Maybe it was about skills/lights/no abs or something... then. :csm

    Well, you win, you're 100% right. We should all go about 35 miles an hour on back roads to assure stopping or swerving abilities for animal encounters or it's the riders fault; live in the now and deal with the results...I could have avoided the deer collision had I slowed down to 35 (hell, she would crossed the road minutes before I got there)...might've got taken out from behind by a texting teen going 70 but that's another thread.

    Good day sir.
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  8. mrbreeze

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    famous last words.
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  9. rivercreep

    rivercreep Banned

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    You Guys are sooooo literal!
    L.M.A.O! even harder now!:evil
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  10. mrbreeze

    mrbreeze Long timer

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    Larry Grodsky was killed by a deer strike.

    'nuff said.

    Do everything you can to limit the odds, but if you ride all the time, year round, then that means you ride sometimes when you're tired, or angry, or sick, or dehydrated. You can be off your game and not even realize it until it's too late.

    Be careful out there, and stay humble.
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  11. VxZeroKnots

    VxZeroKnots Long timer

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    Well I guess it is time for me to be more proactive and not ride where there are any trees or during prime tree falling months/hours.
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  12. SkiFastBadly

    SkiFastBadly A beer? Yes, please

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  13. khager

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    It would be hard for me to actually aim for the deer. It would go against my basic survival instincts!:eek1
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  14. farmerstu

    farmerstu Been here awhile

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    i lurk regularliy but seldom post. but this i have to say.
    rivercreep =idiot
    deer are by far the biggest danger to a rider. i know several people who have come to a complete stop and had a deer run into them. and yeah miss the first one but how about the one right behind it.
    there is no i repeat no defense for a deer coming out of the woods at full tilt..none
    BTW is rivercreep just a troll? he's doing a pretty good job of it.
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  15. DAKEZ

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    I aim for them. :1drink

    rivercreep is a rider that actually rides and tends to avoid trouble by paying attention when he rides.

    Lurk more post less.
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  16. Aussijussi

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    The major reason i didn't ride after dark in OZ, were the 'roos. They'd be sitting on the side of the road, minding their own busines, sort of speak, next thing, with one hop, could be 4 meters long, they'd be right in front of you, taking fraction of a second. In Canberra region, the Capital, where culling was not an option, the 'roo population exploded. I'd rather take my chance's with a moose, here in Finland, as they're fairly predictable, i'd hate to hit one on the bike though, it wouid be like hitting a brick wall:huh
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  17. squonker

    squonker Eat my shorts

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    Hit deer, hit moose, hit by a tree...reading this thread makes me want to hit the pub!
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  18. flying_junk

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    I'm a pretty young rider, 24, but that doesn't mean I don't understand the concept (I may lack some experience).

    I ride year round, and I have to agree with rivercreep. I take full responsibility for my safety. If you ride in an area where there are deer, and you are aware that they can be dangerous, and possibly unpredictable... and you do nothing to limit your risks (such as slow down, or be ready to squeeze the brakes), then you are playing Russian roulette of the road.

    Yes, there will be deer that catch you off guard, or some instances where it is physically impossible to come to a stop before hitting the deer. absolutely. And some of us may decide that going the speed limit is worth the risk vs. slowing down. Sometimes that's the case and we do get into a situation where we are over our heads... But remember, YOU made the decision to go faster than you can react.

    I don't always ride the appropriate speed, but I at least think about it. and if something happens, well then it is MY fault for making a decision with regards to speed, lane choice, timing, etc.
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  19. bighairless

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    I'm guessing your not joking since you defend the other guy saying the same thing. ...that's about as ignorant of an idea as I've seen posted and I hope some newbie doesn't decide it's a good idea because some keyboard master with sixteen thousand some odd posts says so. :eek1

    If you have enough time to aim for them, you would be better off hitting the binders to the limits rather than alter course. Deer will not always run from something coming at them. How many times have you seen them standing next to the road with a vehicle going past them and they do nothing but watch? Hell, I've seen deer jump into the side of vehicles. Also deer don't have the greatest traction on a road surface and will frequently fall when trying to maneuver.

    There is no 100% predicting what a deer will do in any given situation. Period.
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  20. farmerstu

    farmerstu Been here awhile

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    oh boy, now you're in for it ! that cal. guy knows all about deer. here in lakes country of MN. we really aren't that familiar with them.
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