Basecamp taking forever to calculate a route?

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  1. Rockhopp3r

    Rockhopp3r Been here awhile

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    I'm on a 595LM and have my route all set from Los Angeles to New Orleans on ITN Converter. When I export on ITN Converter and import to BaseCamp to transfer it to the GPS, all I get are the waypoints for this route and straight lines to/from each one.

    No biggie, I'l just fire up Basecamp and manually put in my waypoints and hopefully I'll get a similar route. I'm avoiding highways, tolls, the usual stuff.

    So, I created a new trip in Basecamp, set the starting point in Los Angeles, ending point in New Orleans and hit calculate, hoping I could put in the rest of the waypoints once the initial route was created.

    Basecamp is taking dozens of minutes to calculate this route. I'm going on half an hour already as I type this.

    Am I doing something wrong? It seems that Google Maps can do this in 3-5 seconds where as Basecamp takes forever.
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  2. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    Google has millions of servers working on all its map/routing requests.

    you have one.

    basecamp should calculate that route in a minute or less if you have a computer less than five years old.
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  3. wbbnm

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    I have never seen this. I routinely calculate cross country routes and Basecamp does it in seconds. You might have some conflicting preferences. I would try changing the preferences to minimal advoidances and see if this helps. I do my routing in City Navigator. What mapset are you using?
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  4. Rockhopp3r

    Rockhopp3r Been here awhile

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    I don't know what the deal is, but I'm utterly unimpressed by my 595. It is a $750 piece of hardware that ships with terrible software.

    I was able to do my route, but no chance structuring it as a trip. Once I learned that ALT will rubber-band lines, I was able to more or less copy what I had on ITN.

    My computer is powerful, so it wasn't the bottleneck. If I can play Battlefield in 4K on Ultra settings, I think it should be able to handle mapping.

    I will play around with it some more later today, but I went to bed yesterday thinking if my 595 is any better than a "rugged" Android tablet that I can mount to the GPS bar and lock.
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  5. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    are you using the maps on the device, for your calculations ?
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    Rockhopp3r Been here awhile

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    I did not load the maps on the pc. It is the first thing I'm trying today.
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  7. Rockhopp3r

    Rockhopp3r Been here awhile

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    Ok, so i installed locally and it seems much faster. It still is cumbersome to use, but at least since it is faster to calculate, I can do a lot of trial and error without watching my beard grow out while it calculates. Installing maps locally to your computer should be front and center in Garmin Express, not as hidden as it is today.

    It still is an incredibly clumsy system for $750.
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    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    yup, that's about right.
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    FWIW I created a route from LA to NO and it took 5 seconds (which was a couple of seconds longer than I expected).

    I checked my preferences and I had no advoidances and the highway slider set for major highways.

    I did again with all avoidances and the slider set to the left for minor roads. That one took 30 seconds, which surprised me

    Again this is with City Navigator running on my PC.
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  10. abruzzi

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    I suspect Basecamp slows down in relation to how many road segments are in the route. LA to NO is 99% I10 so if highways are allowed, it will be pretty quick. If they are disallowed, its 1500 miles of backroads.
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  11. Rockhopp3r

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    More like 2000 miles of backroads :p

    And yes, I'm avoiding highways. However, in doing so, it gives me all kinds of ridiculousness.

    Take a look at this:

    https://imgur.com/a/MzUc5

    Point A to point B: 352 miles
    Basecamp BS route: 941 miles

    The fact that a $750 piece of hardware/software cannot realize or understand that current rules will duplicate or triplicate distance/time and suggest something better is astounding.

    Granted, I've provided the GPS with a set of rules, but there should be a warning/option/something that will suggest bending the rules to avoid this type of thing. If you let Basecamp do it's thing on its own, you'll end up with a very crappy trip. You have to watch what it does like a hawk. In the era of Google/Facebook/Amazon, I'm no longer used to watching every move to ensure it is doing what I want.
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  12. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    if you're already sitting at a computer, might as well user the stuff likefurkot, gpsies, Google, kurviger, that make it all do much easier.
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    You are absolutely right about having to really vet any routes that Basecamp produces before you start out. A lot of people learn this the hard way.

    I always pick my own routes and I just let Basecamp draw road-following lines that I can turn into tracks. I just can't see the point of letting a computer program pick where I ride or drive.
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  14. Ogre_fl

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    What routing profile are you using?
    Is it Motorcycling-Curvy?

    None of my GPS units have that as an available profile, so I don't really use it in basecamp.
    I have played with it some and have seen it throw out some pretty out of the way routing.

    For reliable routing I always use "Driving" and make sure I dont have any setting in basecamp I can not replicate on the GPS unit.
    I then add points as needed to get the route I want.
    My GPS's have 100% reliably followed routes once I got the setups between the units & basecamp the same.

    FWIW I have not found any routing program that I dont have to tweak to get what I want or to fix some screwy algorithm routing they have.
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  15. scfrank

    scfrank Old farts riding club.

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    Love Furkot. Develop the route on it. Much easier. Then ‘fine tune’ it in basecamp, especially if I’m sharing. By that I mean I zoom in on waypoints and shaping points and make sure they’re on the road.

    The software, whatever it is, goes explicitly by the preferences set.
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    this. Everyone has their own MO, but for me the GPS is just a device to tell me where I am, and make sure I am following the route I have created. When I create a route, I pick every road and every turn, so I start will with both GPS and Basecamp set to standard routing, i.e. no special preferences or avoids. I enter the start and end point and Basecamp gives me a default route usually involving interstates. Then I start dragging the route to add via points that force the route onto the roads I want to take. For this approach to work it is important to have the same mapset on the computer and the GPS and to have the same routing settings, otherwise I could import the route and a different set of preferences make small changes to the resulting route. Some people turn it into tracks which also ensures that what you see on the computer is what you get on the GPS.
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    I should add, Google maps has tons of great information that Basecamp and CNNT maps don't have so like many others I do initial scouting with Google maps because it will allow me to use street view to see some of the roads I'm planning to ride. The biggest issue with Google maps is when, a couple of years ago, they "updated" it and limited it to 10 via points. That frequently makes it impossible to plan my actual route with Google maps. I don't know if other online mapping sites get around that limitation.
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  18. Rockhopp3r

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    Hold up. So if I don't turn it into a track the GPS will recalculate the routes when using them on the device? I thought that just sending to the GPS would ensure that my routes, which I spent hours bending to my linking, were there...

    Oh well, additional homework tonight.

    After playing around with this for the past three days, I'm amazed Garmin is still a $3B business. They have some serious usability issues in their software to have made it this far.
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  19. Rockhopp3r

    Rockhopp3r Been here awhile

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    Indeed. I often have to refer to Google maps to use street view.
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  20. Rockhopp3r

    Rockhopp3r Been here awhile

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    This. I realize I have been bitching a lot about all this throughout the thread, but essentially this is what I want from the GPS. It has just been very complicated to get to that point for the past few days. This morning I learned that if I don't convert the route to a track, I'm going to get all kinds of crazyness again. It should be simpler for such expensive hardware.
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