Battle Hacks!

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by vt1099ace, Sep 8, 2013.

  1. gatling

    gatling Long timer

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    <iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/SwN_7H-iLvY?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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  2. gumshoe4

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    "I just noticed all these scooters have the sidecar on the left, while Ural puts them on the right. I have seen sidecars on either side. What's the deal with that? does it make a difference?"

    It's convention, Jerry. The Isle of Wight, where that scooter gathering occurred, is in the United Kingdom. In the US and most other locations where one drives on the right side of the road, the sidecar, by convention, goes on the right side of the tug. In the UK, where one drives on the left, the sidecar goes on the left side. Think of it as similar in nature to where the steering wheel is located in a car in the US and in Great Britain and that will answer your question...
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  3. vt1099ace

    vt1099ace Been here awhile

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    Does Linkage in the front make a difference? Stella, vespa p's, honda helix all have trailing link front ends. Ural has leading link Fronts and are designed for hacks
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  4. emmettken

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    What make of sidecar is that in the video? Thanks!
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  5. hugemoth

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    I don't think it matters whether it's trailing link, leading link, standard forks, it's just the amount of trail that makes a difference. The sidecars I've had on Vespas, VBB, Rally 200, and P200 all worked well.

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  6. vt1099ace

    vt1099ace Been here awhile

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    I talked to my stella dealer about a hack, his suggests at least the carb/exhaust upgrade from stock before adding a rig...

    not unreasonable if I thinki about it.
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  7. gogogordy

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    but I'd be more inclined to add a sidecar to an underbone scooter, vs. a monocoque Vespa or Stella.

    A sidcar imposes some high stresses at its mounting points, and there isn't much more than stressed sheet metal to attach to on either of those.

    Just because it's been done, doesn't mean its been durable.

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  8. vt1099ace

    vt1099ace Been here awhile

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    I'd sure be interested to see an underbone with a hack, honda cubs never got over
    110cc did they? Unless your talking helix, reflex, elites, etc... those I've seen with hacks... And a helix with the right style right looks pretty damned good imho
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  9. gogogordy

    gogogordy Long timer

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    Seen a couple Burgies with them, very attractive, robust and powered for the task.

    I'm not a big Burgman fan, but you have to admit...thats a sexy set-up.

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    This one's pretty cool, but it's probably faster to walk:
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    And last, but not least:
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  10. hugemoth

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    The way the sidecars attach to the Vespa is plenty sturdy, at least the ones I've used. They bolt on with 4 bolts right where the center hump meets the floorboard. The steel is double thick there. I've hauled some very heavy loads in mine for many thousands of miles and never had a problem.
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  11. hugemoth

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    I've seen trail 90s with hacks, and they're underbones.
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  12. gogogordy

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    I've seen the centerstand holes in the same area, blown out from lack of routine fastener-check/torque there. Sure the steel is double thick right there but it's still substantially weaker than a tubed-steel attachment point on an underbone type bike.

    I'm not saying it can't or hasn't (or even shouldn't) be done, Im just saying in my opinion it's pushing the envelope structurally, and a tube-type frame is probably a better method.

    I'm no engineer, but I play one on the internet :rofl
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  13. emmettken

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