BC Liberals PLanning Quick Forest Giveaway Before Election...Your Access Threatened !

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  1. offworlder

    offworlder Been here awhile

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    Good to get a dialogue going, and hear member's differing perspectives/experiences:

    Please read the article (http://blogs.theprovince.com/2013/0...-liberals-are-planning-a-b-c-forest-giveaway/) and speak out/up !
    There's an election coming folks, tell Steve Thompson you dont want your forests given away !
    steve.thomson.mla@leg.bc.ca
    - Office phone # 250 387-6240, constituency phone # 250 712-3620

    "....the bill would give the provincial cabinet powers to grant forest companies de facto private control over public forestlands without first having to notify or consult with the public.
    Instead of companies enjoying rights to log set volumes of trees on public forestlands, companies would gain dramatically expanded powers to log trees on defined areas that in effect become their own semi-private fiefdoms."

    "f the new legislation passes, the provincial cabinet could grant forest companies the rights to roll over numerous volume-based forest licences into area-based Tree Farm Licences. TFLs bestow by far the most secure rights of access to publicly owned trees of any arrangement with the provincial government. The new legislation could massively expand their use, beyond the limited number now issued."
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  2. Jeathrow Bowdean

    Jeathrow Bowdean Been here awhile

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    My Dad has been involved with politics for 40 years to no value. My brother has been involved for 30 years with no value.

    We are to small to stop the boat we are in, and there is no getting out of this "A LIVE."
    I am not a smart man, nor can I change the world with a small vote being that the "Goverment" will take the direction it wants.

    We see this in closers and restriction to all of our freedoms everyday. Don't go here, and don't do that is all I see across Canada in all directions. Our time is better spent doing what we can do as the stuff around us closes the doors and gates to keep us out. I've been all across North America and we can try to do something, but it will end up with no value being that we can't go it alone now that the world runs on spent funds from long ago.

    I would like to see change just like you guys, but it's not going to happen because Canadian's except things the way they are. My Dad's generation had the chance to do this, but it never happened, so we are better living with the little bit we have and enjoy it well it lasts. The day will come that the ball will fall and it will all be over. Live today I say, and be happy if towmorow comes.

    From Jeathrow Bowdean PS: If I could change the world, what kind of world would it be !!!
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  3. Steve G.

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    It's pretty evident that the provincial Liberals are going to get voted out within the next 3 months [good riddence if you ask me] and with the new NDP government, I'd bet money they'll be sending all the forest licenses into the recycle bin, and then close down the forest service roads to allow them to be reclaimed by erosion. Either way, there's reduced access to the dual sport motorcyclist, so better get a passport to ride down south if you want offroad riding. They still take it with passion down there.
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  4. offworlder

    offworlder Been here awhile

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    Sadly, its this kind of apathy that (some Canadians are known for that) allows these types of laws to pass...:shog
    Speak while you still have a voice !
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  5. offworlder

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    Yup - the Liberals are gone, good riddance indeed.
    However, I see a significant difference in roads that are deemed inaccessible due to decommissioning, vs. private claim....
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  6. Steve G.

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    The only difference I see is one pays royalties towards social services, the other pays nothing to social services.
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  7. Jeathrow Bowdean

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    I really wish it wasn't this way Off Worlder, because stuff like this not only affects us motorcycle guys, but the whole power sports industry. The snowmobile areas are disappearing out in BC, and the quad and motorcycles spots fall into the same catagory as "Power Sports or Motorized Off Road Vehicals."

    Blue River Ground Hog Mountain is closed, Mica Dam 50 mile is closed, Valmont Chappel was down sizes and will soon be closed. Parts of the Kettle Valley Rail Way are now closed to motorized units, and I could keep going on the BC stuff, but I don't have enough space.

    Alberta has restricted motorized quads from 4 Countys such as County of Lacombe, Ponoka, some prats of MD 99, and Wheat Land with more to follow. The Eastern Slopes of Alberta has lots of closers going on over the last 8 years, and the day will come that the Forsety Trunk Road and West will be closed off indefinitely. All cattle pasters are now under the land holders licences, and many of them are now closed to off road units all year long.

    Saskatchewan's River valleys in some spots are under the Provincal Goverment Sustinable Resources, and they are looking at what the other Provinces are doing with motorized off road units as well, and many of the people that live in these areas have had enough of the quads, bikes, and sleds wrecking trees and erosion to the river banks, so I would not think that the Goverment would not class our dual sport bikes in this class.

    Ontario closes snowmobile trails to all off road quads, bikes, and dual sport bike in many of the spots in the southern areas to prevent deep ruts and erossion of soil where they cross wet spots and farm land, but people can't read these signs, so some of these snowmobile trails were close indefinitely. and this has happen in the Southern part of Quebec and East.
    "In some areas."

    The USA has closers and signs of where you can go and not go with quads, dirt bikes which in cludes dual sport bikes in every State. If it was free rain of the land, then the idiots would track up ever corner of land they could, so the best tool to handle all the problems is Close Close and Close. This is sad, but true in most cases.
    The only way to fight these, is to be bigger then the nay sayers, but this will not happen. The other option is to do what you are doing and pretend you didn't see the sign or the gate. If you don't feel good about doing that, then find some spot that is open or stay on the roads that are open.
    Western Canada has well over 1 million miles of logging and oil patch roads, and most of them will take you some where. If you don't have acess to logging roads in your area, then it's time to find something else, or move to where you can have this freedom. My freedom is 1 hour West of where I live, and this is the best that I can do. When it is closed off, then I will have to move to where it is open and watch this happen again.

    From Jeathrow Bowdean PS: I can't change the world I live in because I'm not smart enough, but I can live with what I have, so if less is more, then this is the world that offers me less !!!
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  8. yamalama

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    You say: ALL forest licences into the recycle bin, via the NDP?
    I'll take that bet.
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  9. toowheels

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    I wrote Steve Thompson an email a couple of days ago expressing my concern over this.

    I haven't heard anything back yet and I was just wondering if anyone else had?

    Thanks!

    Dave
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  10. B.C.Biker

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    I read the article in the link in the original post. Maybe some one could point out to me where it said that forest companies were going to control the land and access. If I had a big (or small) mill and couldn't get secure wood suplies I would sell out. My employees that were any good would find other jobs if they wanted to work. The weak ones of course would play the balme game for a while and then self destruct or move on.
    Not saying that is the "nice guy" way of doing it but that is in fact what would happen. Investing in updating a mill with no raw material is poor busines. Good business pays for social programs, schools ect. No, really.
    Ever wonder why hippies haven't taken over the world? Sure some have fulfiling lives minding their own business doing their thing. As a hybrid redneck/hippie I'm all for it. The Angry Hippie will always be shit on by society because they like to whine,blow things out of proportion so they look like they could be off importance. Most of all why all the amature and professional protesters get ignored more and more is that they almost never offer any solutions. That earns peoples respect and gets attention. Also so many are hippocrates.
    Some thing else we should all consider when talking of value added and of off shore sales. While of course we all need well paying jobs and should get value for our natural resources who would we get to operate these new mills and manufacturing facilities? Baby boomers are all retireing soon. Right now I can't think of even one person in my circle that needs work and can't find it. Now is a great time for BC to get other countries as steady customers for forest products and natural gas. High tech is highly mobile and can be gone by morning. Trees and gas they have to come to us for.
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  11. yamalama

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    Are there "angry hippies" somewhere ?
    Did I miss something ?
    Hippies, you say?

    :rofl
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  12. Steve G.

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    Angry hippies are hippies that are angry because they've finally realized that their version of the utopian welfare state has run out of money, somebody elses money.
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  13. WillieKing

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    Seriously? Surely you are being sarcastic. ..?
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  14. somethingnuw

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    amen to you brother... glad someone else see's it that way... time to stop thinking about short term
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  15. somethingnuw

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    agreed to what he said. Im in the same boat with kids...

    People need to wrk... resource are our work in Canada... we just need to balance money with what's right... that's why i don't stand behind enbridge pipleline... its in the wrong place... find a better route... just saying

    gov't have forgotten they work for us... we lost track of that somewhere and gov't have slowly been taking our freedoms for years one hair at a time... 30 years from now i hate to see where we are at... we'll all look back and say, "man did we have it good back in 2014"

    the term Crown land is wrong... it should be called the people's land ... you know for those that pay taxes to the gov't so they can keep their jobs and stupid huge pensions after 5 years of service... lmfao... at least if we call it the people land when the gov't tries to steal it ( oh ya not stealing legislate it) away from us maybe they will think twice...

    Vancouver Island is a joke... i hunted their in the early 2000's was kept out with gates... then i had to take a course on how to crap in the woods... i kid you not

    soon the only way to really enjoy land will be to own it... and the rest of us that can't afford it will work for the lords that can!!!
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  16. Steve G.

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    Looks like you've gone through your whole list of wanks haven't you?
    Gotta sell resources, but just enough. Change the name of crown land. Cut the pensions of 308 civil servants. Vancouver Island is a joke cause you can't shit anywhere. Fix those, and we have the future covered.
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