Beginning of the end for CA bikers?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by hefy_jefy, Jul 27, 2014.

  1. ongrade

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    Except that the vehicle code here explicitly applies to LEO. If a LEO gets in an accident and has violated the vehicle code he will be found at fault. Doesn't matter if they are responding to a call or not.
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    Seriously? You really think that under California law an exception to the traffic law cannot be made for a police officer responding to an emergency?

    Tell you what, why don't you read this and get back to me. It's from the California Vehicle Code.


    Looks to me like there;s a whole bunch of traffic laws which don't apply to police in an emergency.
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    Drivers in the US think they're entitled. There is little courtesy here. Most would rather hog the road than allow someone to get by them... even if, like in lane splitting, it means sticking all those bikes in line taking up more space. Which would mean they add to their time on the road getting stuck at more traffic lights, etc due to the bikes taking up space.

    Drivers here are about 80% fools.
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    I read this thread and sold my bikes for a Smart Car.
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    damn site freer than a vast majority of the countries in the world. Just look at the news, people fleeing countries overun by drug lords, women tortured and killed at supposed religious whims, infighting based on religious or regional ties... and on and on.

    Tell me, what countries are freer? :dunno
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    Seriously, since I was a sheriff in CA and we were taught that if you get in an accident while violating traffic law YOU ARE at fault I'll stand by what I said. That section you referenced just means a citation won't be issued. Accident fault will still be assigned. Therefore the CHP believes, and their representative has stated during the hearings for the law that was being considered to end lane splitting, that it could put their officers in an indefensible position if they split lanes while in pursuit and were involved in an accident. Anyone can cite a book, spend a little time researching the history before you pop off next time.
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    LEO's in Virignia split, crappy part is I followed them to a light splitting and the last officer in line turned around to give me a ration of shit for it. No emergency lights on their bikes, but also no ticket for me, just an ass chewing... So I guess it was a fair trade for the 10 minutes of sweating in traffic I skipped. :deal
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    Okay that is funny, maybe it is a 5 pints of Guinness I have had but maybe not... :freaky
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  10. Human Ills

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    We are doing ourselves a disservice by keeping the issue front and center. Let a perceived(instead of real) loss dissipate as opposed to giving it legs.
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    You may want to get involved with the Bay Area Riders, they have a petition running now about this perceived issue.
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    OK, we're talking about two different things, I guess.

    Yes, I'd agree that if a (non-California) cop is zipping down between a line of stopped cars and runs into one, he'd be at fault, even if he's operating under an exemption from a lane splitting prohibition.

    Are you legally allowed to do what you're doing?

    Is a different question than:

    Are you immune from blame for accidents resulting from the things you're doing?

    I would suggest that the answer to the latter should rarely be "yes" in any case.
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  13. Human Ills

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    I think it's a loser politically and the more we push, the more likely we'll face anti-splitting legislation. We most recently lost free bridge crossings.

    The majority of people are very shortsighted and selfish.
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    I agree.
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    In fairness, why should we have free bridge crossings? HOV is one thing, Toll bridges are another.
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    What are we offsetting via tolls when using a bridge? Why do area bridges charge by axle? Is the time lost for all the commuters behind me when I have to shut off my bike, put down my kickstand, take off my gloves, dig in my pocket for a 20, wait for my change and a receipt, put my change back in my pocket, put on my gloves, take the bike off the sidestand and start it and ride away, worth the 5 bones the bridge authority gets?:deal

    The bridge never knows a moto is on it.

    We are putting our very lives at risk in order to ease congestion. Free toll and a thank you is warranted:lol3
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    Can't put it in neutral and not deal with the stand? I use a tank bag and it isn't that big a deal. The point is, it is still a toll crossing. Why should we get a free ride? We still ride motor vehicles. I don't put my life at risk to "ease congestion". I doubt that even splitting lanes reduces it that much. It does for us, and I enjoy having the ability. Splitting lanes and getting a free ride on a toll bridge are two different arguments as it is.
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    Probably never knew a passenger car was on it either. Tolls are not intended to *only* offset the actual costs associated with the wear and deterioration caused directly by that vehicle on that crossing. If they were, they would be vanishingly small.

    A bridge has a capital cost and a service life. There are maintenance and operation costs over that service life. Only a portion of those maintenance and operation costs are a direct result of wear and damage from traffic. A bridge with zero traffic, but maintained in operational status will still have operating and maintenance costs (corrosion control, for example). Over that service life there are only going to be X number of crossings. The total costs of the bridge have to be amortized over those X crossings. That's the basis for tolls (or should be, anyway) not how much pavement wear your vehicle caused that day.
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  19. Human Ills

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    Yes, I could make it less of an inconvenience for other motorists, but in this specific case, why should I?
    Why not use free bridge use as an incentive for people to get out of their massive vehicles and onto two wheels? It's all perspective, isn't it?

    And the rest of the readers who would like to keep splitting right where it's at, see what we'd be dealing with politically? This is ostensibly a rider.
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    Incentive to get people onto two wheels? Not a good argument nor a good solution. So... then you'd have more people in more vehicles getting a free ride on toll bridges, not helping pay for the costs of said bridge and increasing congestion? How about more incentives to take transit? Incentives are already in place to reduce vehicles - they're called HOV lanes. Bridge tolls are lower (sometimes even free) for them as well as those with FASTRAK transponders. We get to ride in those as well, regardless of number of people on our vehicles. Most states, even those that do not allow for lane splitting, allow that.
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