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Discussion in 'Vendors' started by raptorrapture, Mar 4, 2010.
This is made of Full Grain Horse Leather..
The Belstaff Ballig Jacket features light weight ballistic fabric on shoulders, elbows, waist band, cuffs, neck collar and center front band. Mesh on body and sleeves. Corduroy on inside neck collar, cuffs and waistband. CE removable soft protectors on shoulders and elbows.
My two shillings worth: The Belstaff is a nice fashion statement, but the fit is horribly undersized; and with larger chest sizes come silly long sleeves. And compared to a Barbour it is horribly overpiced as well.
I would so highly advise the Barbour for everyday wear and occasional riding. It is still made in GB, it is made from a quality waxed cotton formula, and the fit is proper, especially in the larger sizes.
If you want to ride in waxed cotton (as I do on most every ride) consider the Aerostich Falstaff. It is a heavier fabric than the Belstaffs and zips more tightly (waterproof) than either jacket AND it comes with pads. For long rides or wet rides the Aerostich is far and away the best.
Summary: Fashionistas: go with the Italian Belstaffs. Real riders: Barbour or Aerostich.
Sounds like you need to look at the Belstaff Pure Motorcle Line... Not the fashion line ( get out of Barney's and stop by an IMS show).. We took the Barbour Iternational Jacket to all the International Motorcycle Shows for the last 3 years as well at the New Belstaff Tourist Trophy Jakcet ( Pure Moto not Fashion).. Belstaff outsold Barbour 20 too 1.. Belstaff is Heavier, Armoured and close to the same price if you add the liner to the Barbour and some Armour.. I love my Barbour Jacket but the Belstaff is in another league all together for protection, attention to detail, Fit Etc Etc. The Pure Motorcycle Line is cut to fit great... the fashion line is for those avoiding Beer and dounuts.
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There is nothing wrong with a little salespersonship but I do think that claiming pricing equity based on adding armor and whatever else to the Barbour is a bit unrealistic. The Barbour (without armor) is just not going to be the road jacket the motorcycle specifc Belstaff model is. They are obviously not made for the same market/use. What is the name of the company who writes your paycheck?
Most importantly, and more to my point: You did not mention the Aerostich, I am not sure where it prices against the Belstaff but it is heavier, armored, and draws tighter in a much more comfortable manner than does the Belstaff. Which summarizes to dryness and more comfort for riders in real road conditions. In my considerable wet weather experience it is the better jacket. I would be interested in your opinion (as a motivated seller) as to how the Belstaff stands against the Aerostich Falstaff.
Now if I may ask, are the Belstaff motorcycle specific jacket products made in Italy as are the fashion oriented jackets?
I have not had anyone write me a Pay check since 1988 when I worked for Berkshire Hathaway in Manhattan at that time Warren Buffet signed my Paycheck.
The Belstaff Pure Motorcycle Jacket is made in Italy.. The Italians have quite a reputation fro producing well made cloths that fit very well. The Belstaff Tourist Trophy Jacket tapers in very nicely and fits well with or without the belt and is cut to fit a Motorcyclist .. Italy makes a few motorcycles as well as Moto GP champions so none of this is new to them..
Belstaff and Barbour both make these wonderful historic Jackets.. Belstaff still sells it as a Motorcycle Jacket so it has to meet current PPE and CE codes.. Barbour sells it as a Historic Jacket so it does not need to meet the current standards.
As far as Price.. Barbour International Jacket New MAP price is $449 the liner is $98.. Total $547..
Belstaff is at $595 with new 3do Armour.. So for $48 you get Italian Manufacturing and finishing work, which most people seem to prefer and Real Armour made for today's world and the new PPE and CE standards of Protection.
I stil love my Barbour Jacket and we sell these as well if you are worried about my pay check..but the Belstaff is simply a better made more protective garment.. Come on out to the IMS show and do a side by side comparison for yourself.
I am not sure where AeroStitch comes into this.. This is a historic Jacket that is why people want them! History..Tradition and all that.. I don't recall Aerostitch being part of this history.. There are much more protective modern material out there that will take a high speed slide better.. Like Stretch Kevlar 1800 cycles to failure on pavement used by Wayne at MotoPort or 1000 Denier Cordura used by Belstaff and Rukka to name a few 1780 cycles to failure on pavement.. None of these people write me a pay check either.
Paul, the Aero came "into it" at the bottom of my first post when I suggested that it was superior to the Belstaff. You avoided comment on it originally. I do wish to thank you for your comment on the Aero jacket. I will of course grant that Aero was not a player in the old days. And of course there are jackets made which perform vastly superior to all the waxed cotton jackets on the market. But do understand that people still buy waxed cotton for its performance and the Aero is a more comfortable and more waterproof jacket than either of the lines you sell/promote.
I mentioned your paycheck to allow you to comment and affirm that you have a profit motivation in the jackets. Your little tizzy fit in regards to your paycheck was an entertaining tangent by the way. You see Paul, when folks understand that you have a profit motivation they can make a call in regards to the veracity of your comments. This of course does not mean that anyone would infer that you would be dishonest, but buyer beware and all that.
I mentioned the place of manufacture of the modern Belstaffs to allow you to affirm that they are indeed made in Italy. I thought you would have more of a stumle explaining or spinning it. You did well. I thought your defense of the Italian made jackets would be creative and interesting. Paul, you did not let me down in that regard.
Motorcycle shows: good luck with those and what an interesting pattern of inclusion of the shows in your comments. Are you part of promoting those shows as well? If not Paul then perhaps you might wish to consider that a hugely overwhelming majority of the ridres in the country do not find the shows a valuable use of their time. Do understand that many riders would rather ride than attend the show, Paul, although I understand they (the shows) are very informative and a great showcase of whats new in the motorcycle world. From your comments you do seem to sell much in the way of product at the shows.
You worked for Warren Buffett? And now you're selling motorcycle gear? Congrats, Hopefully you're able to take some of what you learned from Buffett (is that one or two 't's?) and build several empires to compliment your huge motorcycle gear company which you promote on a site which must serve as quite a valuable use of your time!
2yr TT owner chiming in.
Here's what I want to know. Paul, will you be offering a show discount?
Entertaining thread btw.
The new prices are quite a bit higher.. We will be selling them at a show discount at all the IMS shows. The new price on the TT Jacket is $850 and the Mojave is $795.. The show price will be quite a bit lower..
I just noticed the price increase on the TT. I think I paid $595 2yrs ago.
I've got my eye on the waxed version of the Mojave which is currently selling on your site for $595. You're quoting much higher prices. Have you not updated the site or something????
As soon as Belstaff tells us we have to raise the prices we will. First run of new Mojave and Trailmaster Jackets left Milan on Friday.. This will be the first delivery from Belstaff since LabelLux took over... Will have the new 3do Armour. As soon as we get the first order I assume we will be told to raise the prices.
Looking forward to that discounted show price. I've got my eye on the Montana jacket. http://www.britishmotorcyclegear.com/montana-jacket.asp
We have the new Belstaff Pure Motorcycle Line for 2013 on display at all the IMS shows this season. Here is the show schedule www.motorcycleshows.com
Earlier in the thread you mentioned a show discount. What kind of discount should we expect to receive?
We sell the Barbour Jackets at $379 at the shows. MAP Price is $449. Belstaff Jackets are now being sold by Belstaff direct from the UK at www.Belstaff.com we are selling them at the shows for 30% less than if you buy them direct from Belstaff.com ..
I understand now. You're quoting Belstaff.com pricing not BMG pricing.
Will the pricing for the jackets during the show be lower than current BMG website pricing?
I'm not trying to bust onions here. I'm just a returning customer considering either the waxed Mojave or the Montana jacket.
The Montana Jackets will be at $379. Belstaff wants us to raise our web price too their pricing which may happen any day now if we get a notice from them of a MAP price, they will go up that day.. We will still be able to offer this low price on the Belstaff gear at the shows if this happens. The show prices will not go below this..
Mention Adventure Rider if you order the Barbour International Jacket in the additional information section and get the show price $379..