Best 50/50 Dual Sport Tire

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  1. RideMX951

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    Riding a KTM 450 EXC and going through tires quickly.

    I am open to any suggestions/recommendations on the best set up for true dual sport tires, and they gotta be DOT.

    I have run the Pirelli's, D 606's and the Motoz. By far the Motoz win, but they don't have DOT, and out here in Riverside County it is very important to have DOT.

    Thanks in advance for the feedback.
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  2. ineptizoid

    ineptizoid I'm scared hold me

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    What kinda life are you getting out of 606s/MT21s? When you say a "true dual sport tire," I start thinking about a tire with a much less aggressive tread pattern than what you've been running. Something like a MEFO Explorer, which is a great (though spendy) 50/50-type tire that is known for durability. But it ain't gonna hook up like a D606 or MT21 offroad. Considering the bike you're riding, it sounds like you're looking for an offroad-oriented DOT tire (like, say, 80/20) that lasts a long time (like 4K miles on the rear). And I've been looking for the same thing for the last several years. I don't think the critter exists, but I'll keep looking.

    Kenda Trakmasters last about as long as MT-21s, cost a whole lot less, and hook up about as well as any other DOT knob out there IMO. I've shredded a rear in ~2K miles but then I'm kinda rough on tires. Maxxis 6006s and Bridgestone "Deathwings" last me about 3K on the rear but don't hook up nearly as well offroad. The Kenda 270 seems to be about the best compromise for me so far, (at least on the rear) but it ain't what you'd call a DOT knob by any stretch. It seems there's no way around the fact that tire life is reduced in direct proportion to how well the tire works offroad. Must be one of those Laws of the Universe or something.

    Have you given the Dunlop 908RR a look? I know a rider that uses them on a KTM990 and claims to get decent life (4K miles) out of them, they're pretty gnarly for a DOT tire...
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  3. dtysdalx2

    dtysdalx2 PITA but useful

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    IRC GP 110's are my favorite. Not a lot of miles out of a rear though. 3k maybe.

    Avon distansia's last a lot longer, but are a better 70/30 tire.
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  4. LongCliff

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    Would Michelin T63's fit your bike? I have over 5,000 miles on mine, but of course my XT225 is not a 450 ktm.
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  5. Flatulator

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    I got surprisingly high mileage out of a set of (DOT) Maxxis 6006's on a DR650 .... 5000 miles ... (worn almost to the cord - on the rear)

    ('high mileage' for what looks like a full knobby)

    front and rear wear at the "the same" rate .. (gone at the same time)

    I babied the bike for the my first 1000 miles (on it - with new 6006's) while I got used to the bike and tires and fixed minor stuff ... then I hammered it for the next 4000

    The rear will slide during hard pavement cornering first ... the front will never slide ... it always sticks (must be a fair amount softer than the R).

    ... but the pavement cornering limit is surprisingly high (considering they look like full knobs) ... higher than Kenda 270's ... and overall more predictable (than 270's)

    ... one shortfall > ... the rear might be the slipperiest DOT tire I have ridden .. ON WET PAVEMENT ...

    on dirt ? ... 's OK ? ...
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  6. LILBIT

    LILBIT Ride you must.

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    Look at a Shinko 244. I haven't tried one yet but want to. There is a huge thread on the Klr Forum about it with very few complaints.

    Many like the Kenda 270. Scared the piss out of me on pavement and i usually run knobbies.
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  7. dukedinner

    dukedinner Been here awhile

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    I am using the T63's to replace the Maxxis D6006. The tread pattern is similar to the Continental tires, but at half the price...

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  8. Ben99r1

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    I have tried both tires to see what were the difference. I ran both these tire with a 606 on the front. Stay away from the 270. It lays over on the side noobs for the first 1000 miles. After it wears in it does not a much. It is no good on wet surface. It slid out from under me during a surprise rain in June. I got rid of it after that. It had about 3000 miles when I swapped it out. I figured it still had another 500 to 700 miles lift. The shinko 244 is almost the same design as the 270. But the noobs are a little shorter than the 270. So you do not get the laying over feeling as much in the turns. Also the rubber compound on the 244's are softer than the 270. It hooks up better on the dirt because of it. If I had to choose one from these two tires. I would go with the 244's. They are cheaper, last about 500 miles less than the 270. Hook up better on the dirt. Does not lay over as much as the 270. Works better in wet roads. Just get a good front tire which ever tire you choose. Ben
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  9. bmwktmbill

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    Kenda 270,
    nothing else really especially for the price.
    bill
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  11. dtysdalx2

    dtysdalx2 PITA but useful

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    I see the Michelin T63's are new. Just looking at the prices and they are pretty reasonable! I may try these next.

    http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/29/393/19852/ITEM/Michelin-T63-Dual-Sport-Rear-Tire.aspx?SiteID=CSE_GBase_393&WT.mc_ID=80003&zmam=88421133&zmas=1&zmac=2&zmap=19852

    Where is the reviews on this tire? I'd like to see a pair on a bike.

    If you want F'n cheap, try the Cheng Shin C858 tires. Under $50 bucks.

    Dunlop D606's seem to be the most expensive. If they go 10k miles, they are probably worth it.

    Maxxis C6006 tires are reasonably priced, but I heard they are hard to find.
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  12. Blu_Vue

    Blu_Vue Hit*Heart*Hustle*Hug

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    I have run the MEFO on a KLR for the last season and I probably wouldn't recommend them. The front was badly cupped after 4,500 mi and the rear was >170 delivered and might as well be a street tire when compared to something like the T63 or 606. I aired it down a little on a rough ride and managed to chunk one of the lugs :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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  13. eakins

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    130-17" mefo prices have gotten way outta hand.
    the best move is a $103 k60 rear (same pattern & mileage as mefo explorer)
    coupled w/ tck-80 front
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  14. puttputtcharles

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    Sounds like a winner to me. What kind of life are you getting from a pair? Bike and ridding terrain?
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    mitas e-09 I run one of these on the back of mf klr. cheap, durable, great traction.

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  16. RideMX951

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    I am getting about 400 or so out of the 606's, and three times that out of the Motoz. I have run Pirellis in the past, but to no avail. I can go through a set of those in 200 miles and the fronts scare me.

    I will try a few of the suggestions above and see how they handle the dirt. I appreciate all the recommendations very much.
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  17. jeffcali

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    i use 908rr's on my xr650r.

    mostly freeway riding...probably 90/10%.

    the rear is a little loose on dirt, but not that bad.

    does well through ortega...i'm able to pass the rice rockets with no problems.

    i probably get about 4-5k on the rear and a little more on the front.

    i use 21lbs on both which helps with the wear.

    if you're burning up tires in 200-400 miles i guess you only have stop and warp speed with full open throttle when accelerating.

    i used to get 606s, but burned through them pretty quick too...but more like 2,500 miles.
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  18. speedracertdi

    speedracertdi Been here awhile

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    I run MEFO explorers. They are a great tire. The front has cupped after about 4500-5000 miles but that's because I thought I was Travis Pastrana on a supermoto running The Tail of the Dragon. They are a little lacking on sand but i just gas it a little harder. I also have a set of wheels with 606s on them for the rough stuff.
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  19. squids leap

    squids leap Wanabe Adventurer

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    I usually run non dot's, mostly because my riding is out in the des and not much road. They still stick on the road but the milage is pretty bad. The street doesn't seem to kill them like the dirt does though.

    I'm partial to the washougal sticky front and the maxx des IT rear (on a te610). The front makes it though 2 to 3 rears depending on how many ortega trips. I get about 400 -500 miles out of the rear.

    Right now I have a Maxxis SI on the front (decent, better than wash on saddleback, worse in sand washes in des) and the dunlop AT (forgot the numbers, no matching front tire made for baja, 120 x 100, 20% higher sidwall than 120 x 80) and its wearing better than the des IT was, but the traction is less off road.

    The only way I could see getting better miles would be to have less traction in the dirt, or to not gas it so damn hard all the time.

    I'm getting great tire life right now due to my newly Ti plated collar bone:rofl since I can't ride my bike right now!
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  20. halfcab

    halfcab Been here awhile

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    Your mileage is about right for any "so called" rear dual sport tire. After around 500 miles on the 50/50 tire they stop working off road. Not that they were great to start with. So welcome to the real world.

    You are going to be wasting your time and money tring most of those suggested tires on the 450 EXC. You are not riding a KLR or XR500 that requires a different riding style then the EXC.

    Air pressure makes all the difference on the world on how long a 50/50 tire last and how it hooks up.

    I would not think about using the dual sport tire combo that I have on my 640 LC4 on my 450 EXC.

    Good luck with the tire war.
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