Best Bear Gun?

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  1. hecpilot

    hecpilot Dreaming of my trip...

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    Is a .45 with a hot load better than a sharp stick?

    Hollow point or solid tip? Do we need max penetration on a bear?
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  2. 68deluxe

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    As far as rifle cartridges for bears I would start from the right and see how that works.

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  3. Jurgen

    Jurgen Trolljegeren Super Moderator

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    Heavily abused and used in Afghanistan and Iraq-- Marines use Trijicons, Army is heavy into Aimpoints.

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    Plus even if the dot is off or fails you can still use the scope w/o dot as a very effective close range sight.


    But to repeat what I said earlier-- for the OP (and hell it would be for me) Remington or Mossberg slide action shotgun with 18.5" barrel, duracoating (Alaska is wet, really wet) and an Ashley big dot up front. Load it with slugs. No other BS on the gun.

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    (For hiking I would delete the front mount flashlight)

    Go practice a bunch with trap loads, get your administrative handling down pat. (another advantage of the 12 gauge over say .45-70) Then shoot enough slugs to be familiar with them.
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  4. fastdadio

    fastdadio Still gettin faster

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    ^^^^^And that right there folks, is the bottom line on this thread.^^^^^^^

    Unless we could begin a friendly discussion regarding the multitude of special purpose projectiles designed to fit it.
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  5. seuadr

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    it doesn't even have a bayonette! :rofl
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  6. Sniper X

    Sniper X De Oppresso Liber

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    Ditto X1000. Because you won't have time to aim and the 12ga with 1oz slugs is flat devastating. But make the 00 buck 000 buck and have a couple 1oz slugs first.
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  7. Manuel Garcia O'Kely

    Manuel Garcia O'Kely Back at last

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    I have no personal experience with the laser dot type sights, but I have a question for you guys - those two walking patrol - if they have to make an entry into one of those dark houses, will their daylight adapated eyes work well enough to see the dots? I've never really played with lasers in daylight much so have little notion of their effectiveness - which is I presume why there is also a backup sight.

    Thinking generally about carrying a pump-gun - I guess if you have it slung on the backpack, minimal attachments would make it a lot faster on the "draw" I should think? Makes that Canadian shotgun look pretty ideal for that purpose. You guys use a scabbard strapped to pack or put it under pack straps in some way?
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  8. Weirdo

    Weirdo Welcome to you're "DOOM"

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    I have to agree that the best single purpose survival gun is my 870 with the short barrel. Stuff it down the side of a pack with slugs ready to go and a bunch of bird shot packed away and you're ready for predators and to be a predator.

    The 45-70 is my helicopter gun. When we get to a place that has the potential for bear I bring it out, load it and it's just there to make me feel good. I've never shot it in anger or fear. I will say that it has a cool factor that I just love :lol3 It's just such a bad ass cowboy donkey puncher.
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  9. HardCase

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    I don't think the military uses laser sighted rifles all that much. They use a red-dot style sight which is different from a laser. It does not project a dot, it simply shows one in the sight which is something like a heads up display. They are bright and seeing them in a darkened room is no problem.....the opposite is more the case where they are harder to see in bright light. The trouble with a dark room is seeing the target clearly, not the dot.

    I think it's cool that Canada allows short-barrel shotguns; as someone else said, one good thing about their laws as contrasted to ours which are generally more favorable. It is possible to build a short barrel shotgun here, but you'd have to go through the NFA stuff, pay the $200 tax, jump through the hoops.
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  10. HardCase

    HardCase winter is coming

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    I bought a Guide Gun back in 2004 or 05, was planning a motorcycle trip to AK via Canada and planned to camp and woods-loaf along the way, so wanted something that would be legal in Canada that I could carry on the bike and keep inside a tent for SD. Maybe a shorty 870 would have worked just as well. In any case, I never did take the trip, but still have the Guide Gun, and refer to it as my Canadian Assault Rifle! :evil
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  11. ootpik

    ootpik Harley and Watsonian

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    I think he means when he got up to James/Hudson Bay area. I'm still trying to figure out which of his 4 bikes he rode? Must have been the 2 stroke for all the smoke to keep the bugs off..It is a fantastic canoe trip though.
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  12. Sniper X

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    Yep, if I had to carry one of my 1911s for bear, I would use hotted up loads with hard cast bear bonded bullets. Not HP or even ball.
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  13. Sniper X

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    I have a shotgun scabbard on my Zombie backpack. And it has an 870 in it and I can draw it out of the scabbard pretty quick without taking the backpack off. I can probably get a aimed shot off in about >2 seconds with it. I liked it so much I bought a second scabbard for my .22 rifle....
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  14. Manuel Garcia O'Kely

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    Shows you the level of firearm techology I'm at - I think scopes and peep sights are nice. Makes sense - I think I remember those being sold as shotgun sights originally? I'm sure these are much refined versions.

    SniperX: Thanks - that was sort of the thought, not for zombies though, bears is real...
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  15. HardCase

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    Back between the mid-80s and 2003 when I was shooting lots of IPSC and had forgotten my revolver roots, I decided I wanted a semi-auto to pack in the woods for bear protection. I ended up with a Delta Gold Cup, a 10mm 1911. I modified the thing by installing a beavertail, and carried that in my pack for years. Then in '03 the 500 S&W Magnum came out, I became more interested in revolvers for woods carry, and I've never looked back. But for a semi-auto guy, I'd certainly urge the 10mm with some stompin' loads as a decent option.
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  16. 68deluxe

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    Never forget a chat I had one time with a professional diver. I asked him about shark defense and he showed me the knife he carried. I asked how effective it was. His answer, "it is not for the shark". He said even if he was able to get a few good hits on a great white shark by that time the attack would be past the point of no return.
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    As once posted on this forum in a similar thread..."If you are thinking about using a handgun as a defense weapon on bears, please make sure that you file the front site down or remove it all together. That way it won't hurt as much when the bear takes it from you and shoves it up your ass."

    12 ga all the way, 3 inch or 3 1/2", for the numerous reasons already stated. Slugs, period!!! There are some folding stock and tele-stock options to help keep the gun in a smaller profile when needed but still give you the advantage that a full stock offers. I love my speed-feed stock on my 590 Mossberg. 4 extra rounds at the ready in a low profile, non snag package.
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  18. morerpmfred

    morerpmfred Been here awhile

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    For you who can legally carry hand guns in the bush. Armco out of Prince George B.C. Modifies a 1911. It uses 308 brass shortened and shots 230 grains out the barrel at about 1800 fps. It is not on his website you have to phone him and ask about it.
    For my short barrel shotgun it goes in my pack. Nothing sticking out to get anyone excited about ever. Stock bead sites. Nothing to snag or hang up if I have to pull it out in a hurry. Have seen the odd quader carry his on his quad as well as the occasional dirt biker. The slugs that work for me are rio brand from spain. The only slug that does a one inch group at fifty yards. Everything else does like six inch group at fifty. The shot gun that I have is available from Marstar Canada and mine has a 14.5 inch barrel and the hp9 they have are 12.5 inches.
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  19. doc_ricketts

    doc_ricketts Thumper jockey

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    I thought I replied to this thread earlier, but just saw it again (?). As I said on this or another thread, my bear gun while working in Alaska was a Browning autoloader in .300 WM. After I saw that thing put big holes in 1" steel plate, that is what I wanted to carry. I like autoloaders for security weapons. Now I have a Marlin 45/70, but would still choose the Browning autoloader. I think I could put four shots in a bear ten yards or more away and would depend on not the first one, but one of them being fatal. Two many times a shot can ricochet off the skull or a bone and not do fatal damage.
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  20. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Aspiring advrider

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    This.
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