Best bike for a newb interested in enduros and hare scrambles

Discussion in 'Racing' started by novaboy, Mar 30, 2012.

  1. David_Moen

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    Way to go!

    I was scorekeeping at our clubs's first race yesterday. There were a few people in the amateur classes that we told were past cut-off before the clock said it was over. Some were so spent that if we sent them out on another lap, the sweepers would be carrying them off of the mountain!

    Did you get a T-shirt?
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  2. Rider_WV

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    no better way to get in shape than racing!!! plus the racing will tell you EXACTLY what areas of fitness you need to work on. get out there, get started, get addicted...you only live once, dont procrastinate, roost it up man!!:clap:clap

    The anxiety, nerves, anticipation, uncertainty, adrenaline and excitement is all part of the experience and what makes it fun. :freakyPLus you get some great campfire stories:lol3
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  3. 5th-Elefant

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    That's a good result.

    There's a fair bit you can do with bike setup and riding style to reduce fatigue, but it is a lot tougher than mountainbiking.

    On the camelbak, what I used to do (and the guys I knew who raced) was to drill a hole in the chinguard of the helmet and thread the camelbak hose through. You can drink whenever you want without having to take your hand off the bars. It sounds more drastic than it is as there is usually a plastic grill/vent in the front of the chinguard so you're not compromising the helmet.

    Using energy drink rather than water can help too.
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  4. novaboy

    novaboy Been here awhile

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    Well, I've gone and done it now, just signed up for a 75km enduro at the end of June. It's a fundraiser for breast cancer, so since my wife, unfortunately lost her mother to that a number of years ago, I was given the green light without any issue.

    So I have just under 2 months to improve my riding and get into bike shape. After riding at the local sandpit/track for an hour I need to incorporate more anaerobic work into my schedule, all I've been doing is long distance running. So short interval training is needed, and some more upper body work. Stand up paddle boarding is helping a lot, but time to get more consistant with push ups and pull ups.

    Looking at my schedule I have quite a bit of time off so I'll be able to get in a fair amount of riding, hopefully 4-5 days a week for an hour or two.

    I'll post up a little GoPro vid from today a little later. It will be my second time on the bike so far.

    Am I nuts? Two days of riding on a dirt bike and I go sign up for an enduro........WTF.
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  7. barnyard

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    Last weekend, we had our 1st district hare scramble of the year. We had had close to 4 inches of rain the week before so the course was wet. The soil was predominantly sand, so not so much standing water as there was better traction in some areas, looser in others. Plus the mud was not as heavy and it shook off easier than the super sticky clay mud.

    Anyways, the fastest guys stayed on the pegs and attacked the wet sections aggressively. The slower guys, slowed down and tried to pick their way through. They ended up getting stuck and a couple buried their bikes to the point of needed long branches to pry their bikes up high enough to lift them out.

    For the 2 hour A/B race, the fastest guys did 6 laps (9ish mile course), the bulk of the pack did 4 laps.

    Someone above said that 'racing is the best way to get in shape.' That is some bad advice right there.

    If a person rides a desk all week and then gets on a bike on weekends, their fitness level will not be good enough to finish a 1 hour race, let alone a 2 hour. Do some cardio during the week, ride a bicycle, stand and pedal on all the uphills, work up a good sweat. The guys that do that do not look like they are on death's door at the end of a race. They also crash less.

    I never put anything in my camelback but water. Anything else will promote mold growth during the week (much harder to clean.) I do have gatorade or the equivalent in my pits so I can slug some down during gas stops.

    As one gets more interested in doing better, you start watching what you eat and drink all week. For me, that means no pop or coffee during race season. I drink lots of water during the week to stay hydrated for my job, so adding during the week is hard. The morning of a race, I drink a quart of OJ. I usually will drink a 100 oz camelback during a race (if it is an enduro, I fill it at gas, so I will drink 2, I will also drink a quart of gatorade at gas, eat a sandwich and a banana. )

    If you get cramps on the drive home or that night when you go to bed, you did not drink enough that day or you drink pop and ended up pissing away everything you drank.

    The day after a race, I drink a bunch and I also do a good yoga routine and a long bike ride. I am really stiff and sore the next day and a good stretch and light bike ride really, really help with recovery.

    Watch your hands for blisters. If you ride a desk during the week, you will have a problem with blisters. Get some glove liners and switch to dry gloves when you can. My hands are/were calloused very well and blisters have never been a problem for me. They were for my daughter, so she carried extra gloves in her fanny pack. She usually wears 2-3 pair per race.

    The best advice I got when I started was, "when in doubt, twist the grip."
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  8. Silver

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  9. novaboy

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    Really good advice Barnyard, if you don't mind I'll copy your last post and add to our new thread.

    Cheers
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  10. dpickl00

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    Hi guys, first post here. I was searching online last night and ran across this post. I know its a little dated, but there is a lot of great info within this post. My main inquiry was in reference to the bext XC dirt bike. I've had a couple of Kawasaki MX bikes in the past, but outside of that, I'm pretty clueless with regard to what makes a good XC dirt bike, so I really appreciate this post.

    My main question is for Silver and I hope he see's this...I noticed that you are in the Tulsa, OK area. I actually live in BA and work just down the road from K&N...anyway, my main question is, would you recommend any groups to get involved with in the area for someone who is interested in getting started in the racing scene in Oklahoma? I don't know anyone that rides dirt bikes in the Tulsa area, so I'm trying to put out some feelers for fellow riders in the area. When I lived in Arkansas, I had a couple of friends that raced GNCC events, but they are more than two hours away from me, and I haven't talked to them in probably 6 years, so that really doesn't help.

    For a long time, I have been wanting to start racing harescrambles, enduros, etc. I raced Mtn. Bikes as an Expert/Cat1 and Road Bikes as a Cat 2 at the national level for 6 years before going to college and starting a family. I spent 9 years working in bike shops, and while growing up, I always rode dirt bikes and quads, just never raced. Dirt bikes were always part of my cross-training regiment and a very enjoyable break to the 4-8 hours a day I would spend on the bicycle. However, I've decided now that I want to turn the tables and race dirt bikes, while using my Mountain/Road Bike fitness to my advantage.

    Does anyone else on here have any prior Mtn. Bike experience? If so, how much did it help you on a dirt bike in the woods?
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  11. Silver

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    Seen! Yeah I forgot about these pair of threads. I actually raced in 2 ATV Motion races. Also ATV Motion(which makes it sound like quads only) is getting a new name and they've added a few races. Check out the thread I made on them and their new name and links to the new website: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=838458

    I have been wanting to get a mt. bike to help with training as well but just haven't made that happen yet. I have one in the garage right now but don't like the shifters at all so giving it back to the owner. Others can chime in on how much it helps, I've never done it(yet) so can't help there.

    What I can help with is people who ride :D and race as well. Are you on facebook? If so I can hook you into the riders group there which is all local area people who ride/race and all that, great group of bros really. Good group with good information and TONS of support if you have questions(I have/had a lot). So let me know if your on facebook and I can put in invite in for riders to ya.

    For racing, if you're free this weekend and want to check it out the 17th annual gold rush is going on out at Hallet. If you really want to jump right in then you could race the beginners race on Saturday which is a 1 hour short course I believe. It's beginners and vintage and I know a few inmates here are planning on racing in it. I was going to but opted out and going to do pictures/article on it instead. If you don't feel like racing you could always come check it out, beginners race and team race on Sat, AM/Pro and Supermoto race on Sunday.

    For racing around here, there are still a few going on I believe, at least I know in AR there is one this weekend for sure. For local racing you have some BJEC events if you want to try Enduros. For hare scramble you have OCCRA and OHSCS, personally I haven't run an OCCRA event but I have to say my first and second hare scramble's with ATV Motion were pretty awesome all around and I definitely enjoy the series. OHSCS is done for the season but will be kicking back off next season with new Venues and whatnot. Also there's the Almost a race on New years day in Arkansas too.

    Other than that just looking to ride as much as possible, skipped last weekend for Sisters baby shower thing. This weekend is Gold rush, then hopefully riding at least one day each weekend for awhile after that. I ride with mostly faster guys than myself as I'm SLOOOOWWW still and don't have any newbies to ride with. But you're welcome to come along on some rides for sure, as well as others will post up rides in the riders section on facebook.

    I'll send ya a priv message with facebook stuff. In the meantime check out a few threads if you want...

    DirtyDog's Enduro thread for insight into BJEC enduros

    My own first ATV Motion race, complete with mechanicals and all

    Also check out my Ada race, didn't do a write up but posted some vid.

    Also go say hi in the Oklahoma BS thread in regional forums too, lots of dirt bros there as well.

    Cheers! Let me know what other Q's ya got.
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  12. dpickl00

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    Thanks for the info Silver. I'll definitely be checking into the resources you have provided. I just responded to your PM.
    Thanks again.
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