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Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Rock Junkee, Jan 27, 2013.
Awesome video man those guys can ride
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All true,Mt bikes arent the only bikes that have good singletrack and trails. + the pedal bikes are so slow on vertical cliff climbs with no run.
Could have been wrong,and indeed are wrong.
Downieville is a well known Mt bike downhill and trail riding area in nor cal,there were no trails there till motorcycle guys built trails long ago. Mt bikers have done their damndest to make it their own but havent won yet.
I ride mt.bikes but the snobbery of some Mt bikers puts even horse people to shame,not all of them but enough mt bikers think they have some god given right to rule any trail they want to make their own,it just gets old.
We had a trail work day,horse people,dirt bike people, all showed up to fix and build multiple use trails,they all got along fine.
Mt bike clubs were invited,free food,learn about trail building...........not a 1 showed up,with much advance notice.
Looks can be decieving
Don't assume anything based on looks. I'm totally about responsible trail use but I haven't heard of on instance where MC riders have been able to officially reclassify a mtn bike trail, on the other hand it's not uncommon for the opposite to occur. There was an effort by the Mtn Bike crowd and outfitters to reclassify the Soverign Trail in Moab to Mtn Bike only, luckily sensible minds prevailed, esp since this classic singletrack has been a MC trail for years before the Mtn Bikers "discovered" it. Your mtn bike crowd should work together with the dirt bike groups in your area if they aren't already, lots more effective than pointing fingers.
Yup, we have our share of jerkoff MC riders who ignore the rules but I've managed to run into more than my share of self righteous MTN bike riders that seem to think all singletrack should be theirs exclusively.
Great Vid! Wish I could ride half as good as those guys.
It seems that we are around here, there aren't many dirtbikers here...but all the dirtbikers are really disrespectful. For example years ago one of the MTB associations here got land use from a guy who had a lot of land he wasn't using. We spent hundreds of hours, and dollars building the trails. We installed bridges over rivers and creeks, etc...there are probably 20-40 miles of awesome single track. Right down the road there's a family who has their whole yard filled with jumps and crap for dirtbikes, and he started to ride the trails across the street which he isn't welcome to use, there are even signs. He's been confronted by the land owner multiple times. They started logging the land, the owner at first was having them avoid our trails because we had a good relation with him, but this little prick kept riding in there, past the loggers and around them, and finally the land owner gave in and just had it all cut, and we lost all of our work.
That's not right either, if you built in, it's yours. I'm speaking from experience in my area again...95% of our trails have been built through the woods by mountain bikers. Many of them are "hidden" and don't start until 100 or feet off hiking trails to avoid dirtbikes finding them and ruining them. We build from nothing, we go out and cut trees, rake them out, build berms etc...
It shouldn't it should be shared. I've ridden the slick rock in Moab, which is definitely a multi use trail and that was great, a lot of nice riders on their motorbikes...like I said before, if you build it you should get to make the rules. If you don't want MTBs on it, get it made that way, but most motorbike riders are idiots and just RIP past us without stopping and then tear up our trails.
Dude you're in the wrong place. Attitude like that I'm suprised the "idiots" don't use you as a berm.
So , a bicycle kid came to a motorcycle forum to whine about motorcycles? Youre peeing into the wind here.
great 2 stroke video, made me realize how bad of a rider i am haha!
Yup, another troll
Good start on here too.
So, by being on a forum which I'm a member of because I was looking for more information on a motorcycle I'm looking at purchasing I'm in the wrong place. The video is awesome, I said that. BUT, I also said it LOOKED like he was riding on trails that were designed for mountain bikes. I also said if I'm wrong then so be it, and in this case I was. Then every little single minded dirtbike rider came at me like I'm the issue in this whole problem. I love riding single track as much as the next guy but I ride on a MTB not a dirtbike, I have no problems with dirtbike riders as long as they respect the work we've put into our trails. I've ridden on multi use trails plenty, and the riders on those trails have been nothing but respectful, on narrower sections everybody waited their turn to ride, and there were no problems.
Or...I ride motorcycles and mountain bikes. Is that a new idea for you? You should probably widen your horizons.
Yes, CLEARLY I'm trolling here, what a welcoming community this forum has turned out to be. You think my views are wrong? You're free to your opinion but you're the kind of idiot I'm talking about, instead of admitting that you can, and are wrong you continue to fight a pointless battle. Both MTBs and dirtbikes are at fault, I was merely pointing out that the trails they were riding on looked like a lot of the MTB trails we have in our area. If they had been single use MTB trails the riders in the video shouldn't have been riding them. If you want your own single use dirtbike trails where you live, find some land, get permission to use it, go to the town or whatever organization you see fit so you can make it known that you're the ones who built the trails, properly sign the trails at dirtbike only trails and if some MTB wants to come take your trail you have the documentation that you built the trails.
When our MTB association builds new trails we build them for our use, and our use only. Many times this is not so much because we are trying to keep them just to ourselves, but because mountain bikes don't make much noise, unlike dirt bikes. Many of our trails are built on land that is around residential areas, or areas where the sounds of dirt bikes aren't welcomed. They're also built a lot on national forest land, and they generally don't welcome motorized vehicles. In my area there are plenty of "powerline" trails that are open to dirtbikers and quads, but when they step off the trails designated to them and start riding on trails that we've built, that's where the problems arise. I've never come across a trail that said "No MTBs allowed" but there are plenty with signs prohibiting dirtbikers, and they just disrespect the rules and because of this we've lost trails, and had trails destroyed.
Before you get your panties in twist about dirt bikes in that video ruining mountain bike trails, you should have a bit more evidence than your opinion that they look like mountain bike trails.
You just joined this site and half your posts have been blatant hijacks pushing your obvious agenda. If you want to fight the good fight for mountain bike trials, start your own thread. No sense in crapping all over this one.
The single track they're on during the middle section looks similar to mountain bike trails in my area. The log ride, the jumps and berms are all the same size etc...but if people stopped jumping on this "arguement" for the wrong reasons you'd realize I clearly said "If I'm wrong though, I'm sorry, it is an awesome video...and they could be multi use trails too, who knows!"
Then somebody said "Theres no mountain bike trails there just good old single track through the Australian bush"
I was wrong about the trails in the video and even said so on the next page, now "RideFreak" and others are jumping on me like I went to their house and kicked over all their bikes. They're not even arguing about the video anymore, so much as the idea behind it, and that's stupid. I've said multiple times I'm referring to the riders in my area, they aren't YOU, they aren't your friends most likely, they're a ton of idiots riding around like they own the trails that we built and destroying them. They've already ruined a riding area that mountain bikers got permission to use and built 30+ miles over awesome trails in. We now have had most of it destroyed because of the dirt bike riders. I'm not saying every dirt rider is bad and does this, and I'm not saying that all MTB trails are built by MTB riders, because that's not true, you need to actually read the posts and what I'm saying.
What are you, fox news? Both of those quotes were taken CLEARLY out of context lol. I was talking about my local dirtbike riders, are you local to me? Didn't think so, as I live in New England.
Because I don't have many posts on here, that makes my opinion less valuable than yours? Like I said before, this has turned out to be a SUPER welcoming community (if you can't see the sarcasm, it's right there). Both of the statements you quote me making are true in my area. I also told you about the riders I've met out west in Moab, Utah and how they were all respectful and a good time to hang around with.
Why don't you give it up, you have 10 posts on here, most of which you're trying to defend a statement that many of us find offensive due to your lack of tact and ignorance of area in question. But that's not enough, you follow it up with, and I quote "most motorbike riders are idiots" or this one "...but all the dirtbikers are really disrespectful" I think it's pretty clear how you feel about our sport, go away.
I apoligize to the rest of you for even responding to his garbage.
What he said sums it up, so if your a moutain biker and dont like this
This has become amusing.
As someone who avidly rides a MTB and a dirt bike, I often feel like we all need to sit down and sing Kumbaya. For crissakes, we all just want to get dirty, amiright??
Trail closures here in the PNW are a tragedy for OHVs, and the one area that is near me (Tahuya) is open to hikers, horses, rock crawlin' rigs, pedal bikes and motorbikes. Different users enjoy different sections of the area. There has never been any real conflict that I know of. That being said, the mountain bike community is better organized, has bigger numbers, and generally "plays nicer" with government entities that control land use. So, local MTB groups have gotten some great new riding areas to enjoy, while dirt bikers have been losing trails for years. It sucks, but the truth is, it is our own fault. Dirt bikers are rebellious, solitary creatures who want to ride and be left alone, and we didn't figure out until recently that we need to actually get involved in the planning stages of local land use issues. Cyclists figured that out, and they now have city park land devoted to their sport.
To FARV, who has flamed up this thread with generalizations about off-road motorcyclists, you're not making any friends on this site. Too bad, because this is the best site there is, and you're going to need the help of these FFs if you actually buy that motorcycle.
Like i said i have been as courteous as possible just short of singing Koom Bya , its to the point where i just dont care any more.. i have slowed down, i have stoped, i have waived, i have tried to be as respectable as possible.
But i cant tell you how bad it gets under my skin when i am trying very hard to be as courteous as possible, and they pedal by with there nose held high and looking in the other direction so they dont have to make eye contact...
This has happend time and time again to me all over Colorado and im to the point where i dont give a shit any more
i have been more than nice, and im sick of it, so now they can eat mud and cow shit that will be slinging of my tires when im racing by giving them a dust bath and if they want to get rude about they will walk away like this No more Mr. Nice Guy, i just dont care any more...