Best fate for this liltle guy?

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by twistedkeys, Feb 25, 2012.

  1. twistedkeys

    twistedkeys Utahrd

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    LONG.... .... . ....... story short: I bought a 50cc in '08, rode it friggen everywhere (literally, I rode it on every single paved road, dirt road, trail, alley, and bridge in the entire county), year round, spent hundreds in keeping it alive, had some good times, some bad, never crashed it, learned how to ride, fix, and own a motorcycle from it, etc....

    The killer was when I was (after 5 years) recently pulled over by a cop :yikes he asked about the scooter, came back from his car, and told me that he didn't really know what to do about it, but to go to the Utah's legislature website and look up some laws... I looked for a bit, and the most relevant thing I saw, basically said that since our former governor (a motorcycle enthusiast) left office, they undermined all 50cc scooters by making the max cc 40 (as opposed to 49). So now my poor little 49.7cc scooter is classified as a full size motorcycle, and that I need ALL legal documents to operate it (including a license which takes a year to get).


    So what should I do? Obviously my scooter is now totally useless on road, because the damn dealer never sent me the title. Should I sell it for $50? Should I part it out? Should I keep it as a garage seat? Any ideas? I don't really want to completely discard it... I mean, just throwing away a bike that taught you everything to the junkyard just isn't right.
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  2. Woodsrat

    Woodsrat Gone ridin'

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    This is a lot of work but have a machinist with a CNC machine mill off the displacement of your scooter's engine and redo it so it says "39cc". If you keep your speed down around town no cop will ever question it when you show it to him.

    We put a couple of those "Kikker 5150" Honda clone powered choppers on the street sans plates and we did just that, turning our 110cc motors magically into 49cc to kinda-sorta meet Indiana's motorized bicycle law that didn't allow manual transmissions. My buddy got stopped on his, said it was automatic (showing the officer how it went forward when he turned the throttle, not requiring any shift or clutch work) and managed to get away with it.

    Even more work would be to sleeve the cylinder down, find a suitable piston and install it, again marking the cylinder with whatever displacement the new smaller piston makes it. This makes you perfectly legal and might even be a potential business for you converting 49cc scooters into legal 39cc units. Don't count on getting rich doing this.
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  3. TINGLER

    TINGLER Swamp lips

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    What kind is it and why didn't you get a title?
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  4. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    shit is all I can say. isn't there a grandfather clause for this ??
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  5. ronnath

    ronnath Long timer

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    probably not. when iowa redid the scoot laws about 6/7 years ago to state "if it can go faster than 30 mph, then it's a motorcycle" (i paraphrased a bit, but that's the gist of it). nothing was grandfathered in.
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  6. thunderkat59

    thunderkat59 Old cooter on a slow scooter

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    Did he pull you for doing something wrong, or just because he had some free time ?
    If you were violating something, I wouldnt worry about it. Just try to be a little more
    aware given this information. If they have an agenda to target scooter people using
    this new law, then I would fake some paperwork or MCO saying it was 40cc
    :beer
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  7. tortoise2

    tortoise2 Been here awhile

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    Speculating you did NOT make a worthwhile effort to research Utah laws so you could claim ignorance if stopped . . and probably thought any related laws should not apply to you anyway (because it was just your toy).

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  8. btcn

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    Wow, thats stupid as fuck!

    For one, going down that low of a displacement, you's gonna be an ubstruction on the street.

    49 cc is like the bare minuimum for any safety. 39 cc is just too damn small, IMHO more dangerious than a 49 cc in most locations.

    The marking on the engine 39 cc isn't that bad of an idea. I mean how many cops is gonna pull your engine out, pull the cylinder off and pour water in it and pour it into a measuring cup to see exactly how many cc it is? There may be some other ways but thats basically the only real way to do it I think.

    It sounds like as is though your basically fucked. But sounds like it has some sentimental value to you. Just keep it and see if the law ever changes, you find a loophole in it, or you move ever who knows or have a friend with land to take it off road and have fun? I still have my first 33 cc Chinese Scooter I had when I was 8, its engine is seized up but its in a shed now it was my first bike tecknickly that actually got me into riding. It was not actually street legal but I rode it anyways nobody don't do nothing about it. It only lasted like 300-600 miles I reckon though!:lol3 But still, who knows if not for it I may not even be a ridin!
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  9. Cdub!

    Cdub! Adventurer

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    Move out of Utah to a state that has a higher crime rate thus precluding your chances of being hassled by law enforcement that are otherwise engaged in more valiant pursuits of real crime and criminals! Done.
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  10. lifer

    lifer Been here awhile

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    Many years ago I purchased a dirt bike with no title. In those days that was the norm for dirt bikes. I found out where it was purchased new and went to the dealer with my bill of sale. He looked up in his file when the bike was purchased, pulled out the certificate of origin and gave it to me all filled out for me . I took it to the DMV and got the title and licensed it for the street with no problems. If I were you I would go to where you got it and demand that they give you the certificate of origin. Im sure they still have it on file if the bike is only 5 or 6 years old.
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  11. B02S4

    B02S4 Aye

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    How did you manage to ride a scooter for 5 years that you bought in 2008 ... :dunno
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  12. twistedkeys

    twistedkeys Utahrd

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    The main problem with that is I live in a small town and if he sees me he has to pull me over again. and when he asked what size it was after not being able to find it I told him it was a 49.
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    twistedkeys Utahrd

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    He pulled me over because it had no plate. But he was just sitting waiting for someone. Dumb thing is that's the first two-wheeled vehicle pull over I've EVER seen in the 12 years I've lived here.
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    twistedkeys Utahrd

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    Don't know if I mentioned this or not but before I ordered the scooter I went around town with my father asking the traffic judge, a police officer, then the county sheriff. If anything, I was being too careful. 99.99999% of the kids around here drive cars without licenses, ride full size motorcycles without helmets or training, etc. etc. etc. I'm probably the most proactive guy I know, but I guess I got lazy and didn't check every Utah law every 6 months.

    And it wasn't just my toy, it was my only means of transportation, it was that or a broken bicycle.
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  16. twistedkeys

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    Well, they did go out of business, and the "store" was in Texas. Their website points to a 1 page parts web site with no help... For all i know the title was never created, shipped in from China, sold, got the money and run.
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  18. rivercreep

    rivercreep Banned

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    If he purchased the 08 in 07 as an early release model, it's entirely possible if you're just using the yr purchased as a counting point and not being literal.
    07-08-09-10-11-12 = 5 yrs.:D

    Put your butt plug back in so you don't have to keep clenching and wasting energy.:rofl(as in too anal retentive!)
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  19. Dismount

    Dismount Boring bastard

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    And you just admitted that on the internet? :lol3
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  20. mrnoitall

    mrnoitall Banned

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    :jerko Nice comment! With speculators like you who needs enemies. Way to go!
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