Good ride guys. Yes that was fun dicing w/ my 9?0 brethren. Hey Biggie, i found Gobbler's know. It was in my pants. It's always in the last place you look. FYI: It was the hill just to the west of where we stopped. I don't see a road up to the top. When i say i've been there before i must be thinking of something else. https://maps.google.com/?ll=34.31226,-117.58907&z=15&t=h. Let's make w/ the pix! marty.