Best State to live and ride in Year Round?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Tonk, Oct 7, 2013.

  1. Zeid

    Zeid Adventurer

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    "Just not as good as SoCal"

    Says who? People from SoCal? People who live in SoCal? What makes the "Best Riding Road?" that is so completely bias and opinion based. One thing I didn't like is for me, unless you lived on the outskirts of the cities it was a lot further away than the twisties are here and they were generally not as well paved and cared for, not that they were bad. Honestly? The ride I miss the most in California is cruising up and down the PCH on a late afternoon. But now I go out through the beautiful desert and down trails filled with huge cactus and it's only 10 minutes from my house to get to that. Some one else even stated it and I agree, you can get into such desolation so quickly in the desert cities which is so incredibly nice, to get out in nature and away from the hustle. But again, it's totally dependent on what the person enjoys. We should be telling OP -ABOUT- the places and what makes them nice or what we enjoy about them, not arguing about which one is more awesome.

    Also, no offense to anyone in uniform but trusting what the bike instructors say at Camp Pendleton is the biggest load of #%@$ I've ever heard. They work with the local dealers so the dealers can sell more bikes and their statistics are based completely off of what they say. Do you REALLY think Camp Pendleton (a marine base in California) has more motorcycles than the entire state of Texas? Arizona? Florida? Seriously man, get real.

    Also, I had people cut me off all the time and even open doors on me when I was lane splitting (on purpose, in the street not the on the street parking but on the freeway).

    Also, the only thing I was getting onto Xymotic about was exactly what you're telling me to do to him, giving people a break and not insulting why they like some where because they do. I've met people who absolutely LOVE and absolutely HATE just about everywhere.
  2. khager

    khager Long timer

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    As far as the lane-splitting vs. passing on DY. I would choose lane-splitting.
    I am sure every state has at least one city where lane-splitting would come in handy. I guess it depends on where you live. If I lived where there were a lot of twisties and not much overall traffic, well yes then pass on a DY law would be more handy, but I bet lane-splitting would benefit more people overall.

    Like others have said here, California drivers are more tolerant, not just of lane-splitting but M/C's in general and more aware. That's been my experience anyway. The traffic in LA is worse than any place I have been if you are in a Car. I am not sure why anybody would want to commute in LA in a car, you think they would have 90% of the population on bikes. Yes they have more than other states, but still far more cars than bikes. I just don't get it.
  3. xymotic

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    Yeah, but your 'plus' is offset with 3 months of 100+ degree days, and a serious amount of 115-120 degree days. I think MOST people would say "ick" especially if you wear gear, and if you are a squid, sorry but the beach and lane splitting wins out again.

    I didn't mean anything as an insult, but Phoenix was the most horrible atmosphere I've ever breathed in my life. #2 was Washington DC when I was a kid and walked out of the smithsonian I felt like I was beat up with body odor. and couldn't breathe. So jeeze when I say it's a nasty pit, I don't mean it to be insulting, (it's just a fact!)

    Don't tell me that I'm wrong about my own personal experiences.

    I like AZ fine, but I like Yuma and The Colorado River Valley a heck of a lot better than PHX. I like Utah, I like Nevada but they all have some major drawbacks regarding motorcycle riding that Socal just doesn't have.

    I don't buy the pendleton thing either. I think Wa is #2 in motorcycle ownership per capita even ahead of FL & TX. It is amazing how many there are in the summer and how very very few I see out on the road with me in the winter :evil WA is also the only place I've had a driver actually aim for me and charge.
  4. xymotic

    xymotic Long timer

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    With you 110%
    It's why I finally got a bike and started riding.
    And for the record Lots of full dress harleys and GS's splitting in Socal. Pretty much everything from LAX to Mexico is so wide it's really no issue to split even at high speed.

    I will also say though that the traffic in LA is fairly predictable. Downtown Seattle, Portland other places have freeway traffic All day, every day. AND Socal also gets a win because you can actually get places using surface streets and most of the arterials actually have well timed lights and 50mph speed limits.

    Orange County CA is the only place I've ever been in my life with a regular street with traffic signals and a 65 MPH speed limit.
  5. Bill-66

    Bill-66 Hencho in Kansas

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    Portland and Seattle traffic moves at one third the speed of smell...always..I have overheated my bike more in Portland, than I ever did in Vegas..in the heat..and sand..:huh
  6. xymotic

    xymotic Long timer

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    My Husky has NEVER overheated before, ridden from LA to Cabo, all over AZ and Baja, Up Mountains, Doing like 90 through bakersfield in 100+ degree heat and up the grapevine...

    Twice this summer in Seattle. :deal And it was like middle of the day, 2 pm and you just... STOP.
  7. Zeid

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    I'm not buying the Phoenix Smog thing. Look, on my way home today I thought of you. I work downtown and commute to North Phoenix so I go through the center of town on I-17. The winds kicked up today... Now, in the desert, especially Phoenix, when the winds kick up it seems to have an opposite effect as it does in California. It kicks up all the dust, sand and alergens and it gets incredibly hazy and smoggy. Thing is, the wind has to kick WAY up for this to happen which is very rare because "The Valley of the Sun" is just that, a Valley surrounding by mountains to every side and within the city. BUT, when the winds DO kick up it makes it hazy and very smoggy looking. This again is a very rare occurrence.

    Generally, the air here is very clear and clean. LA is the smoggiest place I've been by far, including the big east coast cities, DC, Dallas and Houston. If I lived in California again I'd never live in the city, I'd live in a beach town outside of them.

    Also the heat is not so bad when it is a dry heat. I was in Louisiana a few months back when it was 94 degrees out, but it was so humid I couldn't breath and felt like I was going to die (although I will say the place is beautiful and I fancy it). Here, it can get up to 115 and it just feels like intense sun but isn't disgustingly hot as long as you don't go for a run at noon. Also the heat is negated by a very good lightweight mesh jacket in the summer, being as it's so dry it helps you. Why do you think the people in the middle east wear those white garbs and turbans out in the desert? It keeps you cooler honestly.

    Phoenix is a great place for motorcycling. Year round riding, all kinds of cool little ghost towns and old western towns within a hour from the city out through the desert. Great little twisty roads going out through the cactus and mountains, fantastic trails and you are just hours away from SoCal, Vegas, the Grand Canyon, places like Page (Antelope Canyon), Monument Valley, Moab and all those national parks in Utah and another country if you're daring enough. There are a TON of motorcycles here too and people are quite conscious of them here as well.

    I don't know how you gauge people's friendliness to bikes either. I've seen crazy people everywhere. Almost got killed once on the PCH when some old man decided he hated "Hooligans on motorcycles" and kept trying to run me off the side of the road.

    I'll give you one thing. Lane splitting is awesome, but it certainly doesn't mean 0 traffic unless you're a complete idiot. Wish they had it everywhere. There's carpool lanes on all the loops here and interstates which bikes can use.
  8. Bill-66

    Bill-66 Hencho in Kansas

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    Me and a buddy went thru Baker one time..on the way to Seqouia...in July..the temp gauge on my GSA said 126...:lol3

    Thank doG that valley is only 25 minutes wide or so..
  9. xymotic

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    Yeah, um, nobody's really heard me rag or insult on a place til you get me talking about Bakersfield. Even lane splitting can't save that sh*thole!
  10. DomEOD

    DomEOD 'murica

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    SoCal.

    Weather, lane splitting, two seasons ( beginning of summer, end of summer), lane splitting.
  11. Bar None

    Bar None Candy Ass

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    I like living in a place where I don't have to lane split.
  12. Bar None

    Bar None Candy Ass

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    "Almost got killed once on the PCH when some old man decided he hated "Hooligans on motorcycles" and kept trying to run me off the side of the road. "
    That was me. Quit calling me crazy or next time I won't fail.
  13. Zeid

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    Your honda was ugly. I didn't even know they came in that color. Next time, get it in gold like a normal little old person.
  14. randyo

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    northern New England is rural, not remote wilderness, 20 minute ride to a concert at Meadowbrook, 20 minutes to the beached at the ocean, 20 minutes to mountain skiing

    no need to use highways to commute or travel,

    if ya like the city that much, 90 minutes to Boston

    NH is #1 in quality of life for a reason VT # 3

    and if we want remote wilderness, thats close by too in northern Maine

    and we got water, plenty of it

    and no goddam taxes, less regulation "Live Free or Die" more personal choices and less "gubm't sez ya gotta do it this way"

    is the riding better, no, but its good and we are the best place to live
  15. DudeClone

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    well it is a great place to ride. and a great place to ride means a great place ro live. well, for me, at least

    and it is true....traffic does not exist, really. you don't need to split at 60mph to have this perspective. but driving for nearly 3 decades before ever riding a bike helps

    when in DTLA going north on Figueroa on a friday at rush hour near the 110 freeway with all those cars about? it's their traffic, not mine. i have no traffic just clear, narrow lanes to split cars with. they can be moving, not moving, or giant orange cones for that matter. but whatever they are they are not in my way, really

    thats no traffic! :clap

    if on a bike =]
  16. marty_uiuc

    marty_uiuc moran

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    i picked socal because of the balance of good things it has going for it as a place to live, not just the riding. the roads are not the best (imo appalachia has the best roads), but they are good. the offroading is also not the best (for me NV gets that honor) but it's also good. the beaches aren't as nice as FL, but again, they're good. i hate snow, so for me the weather here is great. i have never had so much good mexican food as i have had here in SD. i would prefer to not have to lane split, but the fact that i can makes dealing with traffic so much less frustrating.

    i've lived on the east coast, the midwest, northern NV, and now SD. the main reason i love it here is not that it is so great and wonderful, but that it's good in so many aspects of life.

    my dream would be for CA to turn red... but i think that is a topic for a different thread and sub-forum.
  17. p0diabl0

    p0diabl0 Been here awhile

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    Just to see where riders live... taken from here:
    http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policyinformation/statistics/2011/mv1.cfm#foot4

    Code:
    State	# of Motorcycles
    California (4)	818,650
    Florida (2)	574,346
    Texas (1)	442,483
    Pennsylvania	404,896
    Ohio		390,522
    Illinois (3)	350,292
    New York	345,855
    New Jersey (2)	330,489
    Wisconsin (1)	317,656
    Michigan	308,349
    Minnesota (1)	240,289
    North Carolina	223,305
    Washington (1)	220,886
    Indiana		204,407
    Georgia (1)	199,620
    Virginia	195,829
    Arizona		178,928
    Iowa (1)	174,263
    Colorado 	173,231
    Tennessee (1)	168,420
    Massachusetts 	159,007
    Missouri	140,947
    Alabama		127,301
    Oklahoma (1)	127,150
    Maryland	120,122
    South Carolina	108,371
    Oregon		108,317
    Kentucky (1)	98,495
    Connecticut	97,963
    Kansas		81,361
    New Hampshire	79,267
    Arkansas (1)	76,301
    South Dakota	69,670
    Nevada (1)	68,976
    Louisiana	68,460
    New Mexico	64,912
    Idaho		62,623
    Utah		59,430
    West Virginia	57,564
    Nebraska	51,376
    Maine (1)	50,327
    MontanaƂ 	47,011
    Rhode Island 	33,085
    North Dakota	32,668
    Alaska		31,020
    Delaware	30,498
    Hawaii		30,498
    Wyoming (1)	30,378
    Vermont		30,071
    Mississippi (1)	28,078
    Dist. of Col.	3,539
    Total		8,437,502
    
  18. devo2002

    devo2002 -Devo

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    Been in SoCal two months after living in NY my whole life, everyone really needs to move here. Head up the coast, go to the mountains for a good time in dirt or street ANY TIME OF YEAR. If you don't like biking all the time, go skiing in the morning, come down into the valley and play sports outside in a tshirt, or head over to the beach where for $10 you can camp with your bike on the water.

    Per the original question, unless you enjoy riding through northeast snow and salt for 5 months of the year, no state there can really be a candidate. Beautiful yes... But riding all year? Naw...
  19. devo2002

    devo2002 -Devo

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    Nobody forces you to lane split, I rarely do it, but at a red light 20 cars deep...hell yes!
  20. FTL900

    FTL900 White and nerdy

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    SoCal totally sucks!! other than having a few nice riding roads, and good weather most of the year, the traffic is hideous, and you DO have to use the freeways unless you stay home like a hermit. And the freeways are terrible. Always bumpy, and way overcrowded even in the middle of the day. And $10 parking at the beach?? IF you can find a parking spot. Or you can get creative with parking, and then pay to get your bike back out of impound later.
    I grew up in SoCal (a long time ago) and have visited several times recently. For me, it's a nice place to visit, but... no place I want to live.

    Not Washington or Oregon either- unless you want to ride in the rain and snow. I've lived in both states, and if you're up for riding in those colder temps, there's no need to be reading this thread.

    North Georgia & North Carolina are beautiful and have hundreds of miles of curvy roads up and down mountains, but they have frosty days and snow in the winter. Not my idea of fun, so the bike hibernates.

    Florida has perfect riding weather year round (similar to SoCal) but it's really a large sandbar with not much for fun roads. And like SoCal, you have the tourists.

    Phoenix and Vegas are DEFINITELY not the tickets. Way too hot in the summer to ride (except at night), and while there are a few good destinations nearby, there isn't much for good riding without leaving the area.

    Utah and Colorado I don't know much about, but I'm becoming more interested in those states. I've 'driven' some of southern Utah.

    Disclaimer: As always, IMHO, and YMMV.