Best touring scooter

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by gec343, May 16, 2011.

  1. gec343

    gec343 Been here awhile

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    I am seriously considering switching from my present ST1300A to a Burgman Executive for long range touring. I have been researching large scooters for a couple of years, and it seems as though the consensus is that the Burgman is the best. Opinions appreciated. I always ride solo, that is, if you don;t count my dog as a passenger. I never leave home without the little mutt, plus we've logged over 35000 miles on the ST in the last three years. I normally carry camping gear, so luggage capacity would be an issue.:gdog
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  2. lastmanout

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    I would consider the 650 'burg and the Honda Silverwing very close as the best current Maxi-scoots. You can't go wrong with either. I don't have a dealer within 100 miles for the European brands. Best test is to sit on each and think which will fit you and be most comfortable.
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    I'd have to vote for a Silverwing over a Burgman.
    Check out the Shop Labor Charge for replacing the belt on a Burgman 650.
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  6. gumshoe4

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    I think Ernest is referring to the B650's internal drive belt, which is supposed to last the life of the bike and, theoretically, does not need to be changed out. In the early B650 models ('06 and older, I believe), a small percentage of the belts failed early in the bike's life and replacement entails what amounts to a complete teardown of the bike, including removal of the engine. If you go over to the Burgman site (see the link provided above), you can do extensive research there about the issue. I have done so and have concluded that the newer B650s do not seem to have a problem with this and many riders there are using their B650s for touring and other purposes without issues for many thousands of miles.

    There are some maintenance issues which have to be monitored on the B650s...just like every bike on the planet has its little issues. Being aware and doing the checks as required generally takes care of them.

    I have a Silverwing, love it and would not hesitate to tour on it (and will be later this year) and I am by no means a small fellow. That said, I think the B650 is more comfortable...the seat is better, there is more footroom and the bike is generally larger and more stable. If I replace the SWing in the future, I will be looking at the B650 and the TMax. Both are good. I would have no hesitation to buy a new B650.

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    The Burgman is very complex, and the labor rates are high.

    The Silverwing is very DIY friendly. I've got 55K miles on my '03 SW and have done 99% of the work myself.
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  8. btcn

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    There both great scooters. IMO its all about preferences more than one truly being superior to the other.

    Well the Hondas a Honda. Smooth as silk, good power, very reliable, low maintenance, etc. Note the Honda's engine is swing arm mounted like smaller model scooters [The engine/CVT are attached to the wheel and travel up and down with it]. This gives it far different handling to the Burgman 650 and a lower center of gravity.

    The Suzukis also a great scooter. Good power, and lots of storage. What I like about the Suzuki is it has a manuel shift mode for the CVT transmission. You can chose between somewhere around 5 or 6 ratios I believe. This allows you to conserve fuel by keeping the RPMS real low.

    Both are great scoots, just depends on your needs.

    The only down side is you won't really get much better milage than on your ST. The Burgmans get below 35 MPG when ridden hard, and can approach about 50 MPG if ridden easily. Not bad at all, those twin cylinders just suck a little fuel. But its pretty powerful and their great scoots.
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  9. aidanpryde18

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    The Honda engine is frame-mounted as well. I see this misconception a lot, don't know where it started.It might be mounted a little further to the rear than the Burgman's engine, but it is still sprung weight and gives the bike great handling. I test rode it against a Yamaha Majesty and could tell a huge difference. The Majesty felt sloppy and cumbersome with that weight on top of the rear wheel.
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  10. gumshoe4

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    Yeah, that's weird...I've seen that assertion before as well.

    The SWing's engine is NOT swingarm-mounted...it's frame-mounted, like the Burgman 650.

    I have not ridden a B650, but I suspect that the SWing's handling characteristics are actually pretty similar to the B650 because of the similarity of design and weight distribution.
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    Burgman 400 with Swingarm mounted engine:

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  14. cbolling

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  15. gec343

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    I appreciate all of the replies. I probably won't make the change until next year, plus, maybe the 2012 Siverwing or Burgman will come out with something even more spectacular!! In the meantgime, I'll continue to enjoy my ST, which is the finest touring bike I've owned in my 55 years of riding bikes. I'm just thinking that at age, 69, it may be time to look in to something a little lighter.
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  16. gumshoe4

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    I don't know about Suzuki, but Honda is doing a revamp of the SWing. It's called the T600 and I believe it's already available in Europe. Here's a link:

    http://hondamc2011.com/bikes/sw-t600-12/

    Here's a photo. The T600 looks a lot like the current SWing, but I believe the dash, gauges, seat and possibly engine have been updated or redesigned. Do some surfing and see what you find!

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  17. gumshoe4

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    If you read French, here's a more complete report:

    http://www.scooter-station.com/Honda-SW-T-600-C-ABS-2011.html

    The front end has been redesigned and now has dual headlights, rather than stacked headlights.

    The dash has definitely been redesigned as well and I like it better than the dash on my SWing. Here's a picture:

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  18. gumshoe4

    gumshoe4 Been here awhile

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    Incidentally, CBolling, thanks for the naked photos...they really help visualize how the bikes work...
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    I always thought it was.

    So is it or not? I really can't tell from the photo, as I can't actually see the engine.
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  20. gec343

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    Thanks much for that link. Hopefully, they bring that scooter to the U.S. It looks very interesting. I am addicted to Honda quality!!!!
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