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Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by gec343, May 16, 2011.
Speaking of those blue flakes, if you get the bike dirty enough, they hardly show
I find the folding quite handy when parking in many locations. There have been out-of-the-way spots behind crash barriers that I have handled the Burg Exec into . . . . one just beside entrance into Shopping Mall moving ramp. Also (along with Ignition Switch Cover) good to remove mirrors from temptation to the those who have no respect for property owned by others.
I want a Burger too!
Don't tell my GF, I just bought my Downtown 300
And not being able to strech my legs is my only complaint..
Of course, not having the 72hp powerplant I'm used to from my last bike
is also an issue, but I'm getting used to it.
I was also considering the Majesty (new with ABS) so that's why I asked.
I'm 44. I've owned: A DRZ400 and put about 1,500 miles on it before selling it because it felt like riding a saw horse. I then bought a KLR 650 which I rode from SE Texas to Ouray Colorado. While in Colorado, I almost traded the KLR in for a Wee. Literally spent 3 hours at a dealer. Upon returning home, I sold KLR immediately and bought an FZ6. With the FZ, my entire riding group changed and now 2 are dead. FZ SOLD. Currently own a Honda Elite 80 and a WR250R.
After 5 or so years and being on ADV for that time, I am finally realizing that what I really want to do is ride the back roads, have the ability to tour, or just ride alone as I do 99% of the time. I also hate the wind, have the back pain, and just want to kick back.
The root of the scooter seed was planted in my head when we were stopped in Colorado on a mountain stretch that was one way traffic due to debris on the rode. We were stopped and de-numbing our asses when a pair of riders came the opposite direction on maxi-scoots kicked back, smiling, comfortable, drinks in cup holders, with heated gear. We all looked at each other and the seed was planted, .
I lurk more in this forum than any other. As I sit and type while watching the weather channel to determine if I'm going to be winded out (sitting next to my WR2), I am now at peace w/ my next phase. Time to clean out the stable, and move to the next stage. I am texting a friend NOW whose father in law has a Majesty collecting dust. I need it!
I think you'll like the laid back, cruiser styled ride of the Majesty. I used to have a mental block when it came to maxi scoots, the image I had in my mind would not allow me to consider one as a viable option. Then last summer I rode from North San Diego County to the Canadian border on a Vespa GT200. The Vespa ran great and I had a fantastic trip. While on the road, I made a mental list of what characteristics a bike/scoot would need to make the next trip even better. My short list: more weight for stability in windy situations or when semi trucks blew by me; enough power to sustain posted speed limits in mountainous areas; and better wind protection.
When I asked myself what scooter could do those three things best, while still providing great storage for trips, it narrowed the pack down for me and the scooters that fit the bill were the maxi scooters. It's true that you *can* ride any bike anywhere, but I want to ride comfortably and enjoy the road.
I went through quite a few scooters and a BMW G650GS hoping to find one that felt "right." For me...in town it's the Vespa GT/GTS range scooter because it's more nimble and not as much of a chore to get ready to go, and on the road I love the ride of the Burgman 650.
The one you got!!
A couple of years ago a couple of college kids rode 2up across Canada on a Yamaha C3. If that worked, any scooter will work.It's not the scooter that is important, it's the fun!!
I'm slowly discovering more about my 650 Burgman. I took it for a 60 mile ride in 50 deg weather with a steady 20mph wind (whats new around here?) earlier today. The windshield offers good protection as long as the wind isn't on your quarter. Having it adjust up and down is nice - this time of year it'll remain in the up position. I may have to find a wider one though.
I fiddled around with the different transmission settings and have settled on automatic mode for most of my riding. Having the compression braking in manual mode is great for fast riding in the mountains and probably the only place I'll use manual mode. Power mode is OK but I now know what everyone is talking about when they say they dislike the compression braking. So put it in auto mode and leave it - seems to have more free-wheeling in auto mode.
I 'discovered' the adjustable seat rest. I thought I had enough leg room during the ride but could use just a bit more. I pulled off the road and took a look at the underneath side and found a neat little lever that adjusts the seat rest. It was all the way forward - I moved it back all the way and found I can now straighten my legs while riding. Makes for a much more comfy ride than the Majesty can give me.
I think what I like best about this 'scooter' is how smoothly the engine and transmission work together. It just purrs! Very smooth at all speeds. There is no indication of speed regardless of how fast you are going. Just the wind and a speedo to give you any indication of speed. Its almost electric. Reminds me of riding a 750 Norton Commando - very smooth. The Norton had to be shifted though. The Burgman gives you the impression of a nearly unlimited top end. There is one of course. I had it up to 85 (speedo) - the ride at that speed is as smooth and stable as my Ultra was. I think the Burgman is as fast - maybe faster than the Ultra. Hard to really tell unless you lined them up and held a race. The Ultra was no slouch - it was faster than more than a few other Harleys I've rode with. 88CI and fuel injection and a few other mods like pipes air cleaner and a power commander. The power commander (I'm guessing here) with the pipes and air cleaner gave it maybe 10% more power.
At any rate I'm looking forward to riding the Burgman this summer. I quit riding the Harley frequently a couple of years ago since I have back problems and just getting on or off often resulted in mild to severe pain. With the backrest in the way (had to have that on at all times) it was a contortionists act to get on or off. No longer fun so I pretty much parked it. I may have put 1500 miles on it in 2010-11. It got sold about a week and a half ago. Since I was mentally divorced from it already it wasn't too hard to part with it. The hard part was the realization that my Harley riding days were over. If it weren't for maxi scooters I probably would have just chucked the idea of ever having a two wheeler again. And a trike was never in the cards - I like leaning into corners. The idea of a trike just wasn't palatable.
OK - a question to 650 Burgman owners. How accurate is the MPG gauge? Mine is indicating anywhere from 41mpg into the 20mph wind at 45-55mph and up to 49mpg at 65-68mph going with the wind. Also - any recommendations for a stock height (or close) windshield that covers a wider area than the stock one? Also - where can you buy an owners manual? I searched ebay and can't find one.
Whole Thread here on the exact subject of mpg here with examples from those capturing mpg all the time
Basically seems the guage sucks
I tend to do short trips on and off the freeway so don't get great mileage, but others report over 50, mine registers 38 avg.
On the screen try clearview or givi screen I have the clearview with the vent, but that also affects your mpg negatively
just read all the online reviews about the Yamaha Tmax, read the Motorcycle USA shoot out when they tested it against the 650 Burgman and the Tmax always came out number 1, even in acceleration!
so few were made, soo few were sold in the U.S., there are not enough people that own a Tmax and are talking about it so it gets a bad rap,,, I understand that,,, I shouldn't care what everybody thinks, but I know for a fact the Tmax is much BETTER than the 650 Burgman and Silver Wing in every way.
I bought my Tmax in 2010 at a deeply discounted price, dealers couldn't give them away, nobody wanted one, I took a stab in the dark buying one and I made out,, I won, I got the maxi scooter everybody else wants..
Nobody talks about buying a Tmax cause you can't buy one, not even a used one! The people that already own one know its too good to part with,,,,, so you guys should go out and spend $10K for that wonderfull Burgman,, but I am the one thats laughing,, ha ha ha ha cause my $5000 Tmax is much, much better..
oh yea,, if you ride a Burgman,,,, please don't ask me to take my Tmax for a ride,,,,, no I don't want to switch, you ride my Tmax and I ride your Burgman,,,, no thank you, my current Tmax have exceeeded my expetations and your Burgman doesn't impress me
oh yea,,, my feelings are really hurt cause your local scooter club made up of 90% Burgman's don't want me to join, don't want me riding my Tmax with you in your stupid club cause you're afraid my Tmax will make your Burgman's look bad and my Tmax will get all the attention,,,, ohhhh booo hooo hooo! bunch of cry babies! you make me sick!
Cortez? why are you looking at me like that? I am expressing my true and honest feelings cause in my area there are soooo many Burgman's around and those are the people that are stuck up and make fun of my Tmax, i am like the black sheep, a disease cause I ride a Tmax,,, my Tmax is a threat to them cause they want to be seen riding the number 1 maxi scooter. I am tired of everybody judging my Tmax that never rode one..
Tell me????? why doesn't the POS Kymco get made fun of? why is it ONLY the Tmax gets picked on???
" I would that God the gift he'd gee us to see ourselves as others see us."
It's not the Tmax that is being rejected. I think the Tmax is an excellent ride.
I think Knucklehead90 sums it up nicely for a lot of us older riders. I'll be 68 in August and am looking at Maxi's closely. My current ride a 1985 BMW R80 is nice , but when it comes to longer trips, not so much any more for these old bones.
I'll wait a bit and see what the new BMW C650GT is really like when it gets here later in the year. From what i read it has all the farkles that the Maxi riders add on as OEM.
I'll be 69 later this year and I just bought a Burg 400. It only has about 200 miles so far but I'm really enjoying the ride. It will be my daily ride with the RT used for 2up touring.
SWMBO does not ride with me very often any more, just the occasional Sunday morning , or ice cream run
She is a bit younger and plans to retire in 2 or 3 years.
We will then go back to one car and i think a Maxi will suit me nicely for my trips, errands and day runs through the mountains around here.
Not sure if i will keep the air head, just finishing up rebuilding the transmission so I will ride it a bit and then decide what to do with it.
I rode a couple of trikes and did not like them much, thought about a side car and that option is still on the table. No hurry at our age
The :huh means = Why do you even care?
Up here, it's the other way around.
The Tmax owners are people who usually have no motorcycling interest
or knowledge, but wanted the most expensive scooter to show they got
I buy my bikes to ride them, not to be accepted in various clubs.
Try not to make this all about you - because it isn't...unless you want to make it that. If you display the same tendency (bragging) in person as you do on this forum you might want to look at that to see if thats the issue - I don't think its the Tmax that people are turned off by. By all accounts its a very nice scooter.
I bought a 2008 650 Burgman Exec for $5000 out the door with 4000 miles on it and looking brand new (from a Yamaha dealer no less!) - and some factory warranty left - it seemed like a no-brainer at the time. Man was I tricked or what? I could have had the Gods of all scooters according to you! (the Tmax! of course) I feel so duped.
In all honesty Tacoma - I doubt my shoes will fit you. I don't advocate your buying my size shoe (11 1/2 EEEE). Same with scooters pants and shirts - cars etc, get the idea? Just because I rejected the idea of buying your brand of scooter doesn't mean I'm dissing it - I'm not - so try not to be offended. Not all scooters fit everyone - and for many reasons - not the least of which is physical size and intended use. You got a great scooter - I suggest you go out for a ride and enjoy it. Thats what I'd do if the weather weren't hovering at the freezing mark here this morning. I have two great scooters - unfortunately only one 'fits' me, and I plan to enjoy it every chance I get.
Motorcycle Consumer News has the Burgman out accelerating the T-Max handily in both 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, running at a higher top speed, out braking it and the Burgman has more horsepower. The T-max does get 4% better fuel economy for the performance penalty though.
I am glad you are happy with your T-Max. Tell us about the touring you have done on it.
If you love the T-Max then you chose the right bike for you. Don't worry about what others think, get out and enjoy it and share those rides with us.
Personally I been riding 45 years and being completely honest I have owned over 100 motorcycles. I sold off 5 last year and am left with one at the moment. An 09 Burgman 650. During February and March I have put a little over 2000 miles on it and am loving the ease of operation and the light weight (compared to the 1800 Goldwing and HD Street Glide I just sold). You can flick this thing through the curves like a sportbike and the "braking" effect on deceleration is fantastic on the mountain roads. Anticipating stops signs leaves very little need to apply brakes until to free wheel comes in at slow speeds. A fellow riding companion just turned over 52000 miles on his and it runs as strong as the day he bought it 4 years ago (2006 model). I have someone interested in buying it now and I just can't make myself part with it and THAT is NOT like me at all as I stated before. Pure bliss to ride this thing.