BETA 2-Stroke Thread. 250RR, 300RR, X-Trainer

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by ToriMish, Feb 4, 2017.

  1. Navin

    Navin Long timer

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    That should wash off in the Saturday weekly shower.
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  2. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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    You don't need to "flat foot" a bike to ride it anywhere. Just develop your skill set. Lowering it will compromise the performance of the suspension as well as reducing ground clearance.
  3. Dalotel

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    I have a CRF250l which I never was being able to flat foot on it, it is my first dualsport and you might imagine how frustrating it was to fall over and over again at the trails and on road for simply putting a foot down at the wrong side or at the wrong moment.

    I installed a seat concept low seat and adjusted the suspension with some upgrades and lowered the front just a bit in the triple clamps. Now its so much better, still not flat footing but close. Only big problem is that the bike still weights a ton for offroad.

    I dont have the ground clearance of the Xt but its enough for what I ride and places I go. The seat height is acceptable and adds fun.

    Yes skills are important but for me not an excuse to make a bike with sky high suspension travel and seat height which you are just able to touch ground with the tip of your toes. That its no Fun for me even if I had the Skills. The Xt trainer seems to be reasanable with that, I have to sit on one and see.
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  4. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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    Yes, falling over from a dead stop is no fun. Those can be hard falls. I suppose performance is relative, too. If you're not comfortable riding, it doesnt matter how well the suspension works. Still, if you can get the balls of your feet to touch with riding boots on, you should be fine.
  5. wwguy

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    I disagree. Ability to drop both feet in uneven off-camber terrain with steep vertical exposure is key sometimes. I'm 6'2" and low seat height is a major reason why I chose the Xtrainer. The short video clip below is just one recent example of terrain where I'd never ride a taller bike.



    Exactly my point. "No fun" turns into "no bike" in a hurry when this happens in gnarly terrain, which of course is when you need it more than ever. In the mountains there's nothing more terrifying than dabbing one or both feet in a crux moment and finding only air underneath.
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  6. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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    I hear you; on terrain that gnarly dabbing on the downhill side isn't possible anyway, regardless of seat height.
  7. kawagumby

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    There are several trails I ride where you must be able to plant a foot to survive abrupt changes in elevation - especially down hill trails - a rock drop-off or a root drop-off, it doesn't matter. A typical example is a 2' semi-vertical drop-off that goes immediately left or right. First gear stuff, you need to stop, plant a foot, slowly let the front end down while aiming the bike, and jump back into the seat as the entire bike drops down while turning and gaining speed. Trying to "ride on the pegs" in situations like that will result in a broken leg, for sure. Even if you can reach down with one leg, a high seat height increases the awkwardness big time, which often leads to losing balance. I too, consider a relatively low seat height an absolute necessity for safe and fun riding on technical ST. BTW, The XT seat height is exactly (by spec) the same as my 94 KDX!
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  8. swamp

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    Ya, agree on needing to plant. Every time I go through here my heart stops. Cant see it but its a vertical ledge.
    The trail is over large boulders covered in moss, leaves etc. Trees very close, can push the bars off.

    Fall here and the eat pudding through straw .. if they find me.
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    it all depends on where you ride..... all the situations are different.... i'm fairly tall, long legs, had my RFS set up really tall, REALLY tall seat, made it easy on the knees in flat Flariduh woods, getting up/down all the time... went to Moab.... :muutt.... pretty much threw my bike and my azz down Rosegarden Hill..... we learn life thru suffering, i never seen shizzit like where i live, maybe a little at Highland Park, but....... i definitely learned that in the gnarly, big rocks, up/down stuff, being able to get a foot down is good.... tho' i still wouldn't shorten the suspension, i still wanna rip and have it handle.... there's a reason that the XTrainer, Freeride, etc, are all set up that way..... just dunno how i'd like them ripping in the flat flariduh sand ??? it's all a tradeoff, depends on where you are and how you ride..... the engineers that design these bikes DO have something in mind, though.... changing the frame/suspension on the enduro bikes IS gonna change alotta things, so YMMV.....
  10. Dalotel

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    one thing that learned watching videos from a gopro is , if in the video shows a steep down or up hill ..then it must be really f&$@ing steep!!. My god did you really ride there Alone? It wont cross my mind riding there unless with a super light bike and a very low seat height. I would just use a trial bike and call it a day. But damn thats gnarly and scary!
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    He's got even scarier videos but you don't want to see them. I've put @wwguy on my prayer list...
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  12. wwguy

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    LMAO! You guys are starting to scare me! :yikes

    Here are a few shots of a fun little solo ride I enjoyed yesterday:
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    GPS tracks of my route overlaid on a Google Earth 3D image of the area:
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    There were a few sporty hill climbs and descents along the way. The flat section in the middle was when I was following the trail along the river. My Lectron carb works great for this kind of frequent elevation change.

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    Awesome pics @wwguy. Now that is the kind of mountain riding I could enjoy. You are definitely livin tha dream bro. Heavenly terrain. :nod :super
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    Looks like a sweet ride :) Living the dream :)
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    I'm 5'8" and the seat height doesn't really bother me but going into gnar I pretty much know where to err if I'm going to wreck. If you're sitting very much at all then it's absolutely needed to have a low seat height as a short guy .... there's a reason trials bikes don't have one!
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    I love the 4th pic ..nice level ground
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    Ha ha! That nice level ground following the river is shown in the middle of the Elevation Profile pic. It was a welcome break and I was loving it. Then around the corner I encountered the steepest climb of the day. Basically almost 1000' elevation gain through loose slippery terrain like shown below. My helmet is on the log because I had a little rodeo here when forced to leave my chosen line to navigate through this slot cut through downed trees. I'm not sure which was more difficult, riding the bike uphill through this or trying to run along next to it while pushing it uphill. I tried both, and didn't like either option!

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    Jbone11 11 Been here awhile

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    Hey Guys.... I am real close to pulling the trigger on a 250rr or 300rr... A local honda dealer has a 2017 300rr they got in on a trade but they wont tell me the hours....just that they're "low"... Further inspection up close and the oil injector hose has been removed...presumably to revert back to a premix set up. Have any of you done this? Is the Oil Injection on these not working as advertised?

    Im probably passing on this one anyways as the headlight assembly has been replaced with a number plate, handguards are missing as is the instrument cluster.....dealers....LOL. At any rate, I am curious to know if removing the oil injection system is a thing.
  19. Navin

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    Oil injection delete is a thing, yes. The system has an electrical component now know to fail, might be corrosion related but Beta dealers by me keep a bunch in stock. Its unde $20 I was told. There have been a few grenaded engines. If I got one, Id probably at least add a shot of oil in the gas tank (100:1?) just to be safe if
    I left the mixer on.

    I think the lights start flashing and the oil tank stays full but... Not good.
  20. Traveller128

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    Mine had the pump replaced a couple months ago under warranty. It was over-oiling like a bad dog. The oil warning did come on. Picked up vibration, probably from oil in the bottom end dragging on the crank. Fouled the plug, but it would still run, just not cleanly. New pump and about 20 miles later it was cleaned out and running well. No more spooge out the muffler also. Having the over-oiling problem is a lot better than the no oiling failure.

    They come with a front number plate (in the spare parts box) when new. I wouldn't buy one without the headlight though (for my use) as it's not inexpensive for the whole assembly along with the instrument cluster. If the deal was really good, and you wanted to put aux lights on and never road ride it, it's an option. The 250RR, 300RR and Xtrainer don't come with handguards when new.

    Beta sells a manifold to replace the factory one with the oil injection fitting. That and removing the pump is the "premix" option. For a bike converted to premix only and missing factory parts, I'd expect they'd be willing to really deal on it especially considering it's a Honda and not a Beta dealer.