beta or trs

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  1. dwb51

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    As the title says im not sure which one to go for.

    I have a 2016 TRS 300 which i have owned for over a year and i have had no problems with it, but its time for an upgrade. I was originally going to go for another TRS but i was at the local bike dealer and he had a TRS which had cracked its interior cylinder head and hes having problems getting parts to fix it. This has made me worry if anything goes wrong with my TRS parts might be difficult to get.

    As well as this there are two TRS dealers where i live, one of which doesn't take trade ins . The other is a good 2 hour drive away but will take trade ins, but i am waiting for information on what deal he would be doing.

    I was down at a local trial today and i had a go on a 2018 beta factory 300 4t, I thought it was very good and my local bike dealer can get the parts for them no problems, and he will take a trade in.

    But im not sure on what to do as i like the TRS a lot but i also like the beta.

    But there are several things which put me of the Beta as well.

    from what i gather taking the carb out of them takes a long time and parts can be expensive.

    But i like the way they are cheap to run.

    Any advice would be appreciated many thanks
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  2. sprinter27

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    i can give you some parts being hard to get for Beta too . I would put far more weight into how you have liked the ownership of your TRS ,than someone who broke an inner head ( how ?) and was having parts sourcing issues . Of course I’m bias as I have never had an issue with my vertigo , but that’s because it’s never broke !
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  3. 10K

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    Beta +1
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  4. lineaway

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    This is a funny thread as my son plans to go from a 300 4t to a TRS. His Beta is a great running bike. But the reason for the switch is the weight difference with the two stroke and the TRS is just easier to get up things. The TRS should help advance his riding, being just twenty years old he is getting better every year. The carb on the Beta IS hard to work on and the only thing that really breaks is the shift shaft. Good luck on your decision.
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  5. t-dub

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    I think it is hard to go wrong with either (although I prefer a 2T Beta). I can jump off my Beta 300 Factory and clean similar sections in difficulty on my wife's TRS 250RR even with the Curve Footpegs and lighter suspended springs (less preload & stock). The TRS does seem easier to work on for carb and linkage access. Also, I am impressed with the stock suspension components over my Beta. Maybe go with what just "feels right" to you while on it...? It is really hard to go wrong with these two brands IMO.
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  6. dwb51

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    thanks for the replies the only thing which puts me of the TRS is if anything major goes wrong with it if trying to get parts could be a nightmare. The person who broke the inner head has obviously been hard on the bike as well as this they sheared a footrest completely of the bike. Is the suspension on the beta really hard to work on for example compared to a sherco
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  7. lineaway

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    The suspension is just as easy as the Sherco. The only thing that makes the Sherco suspension easier is thy do not use bearings, just bushings in the dog bones. I do like my Beta two stroke by the way. But it is very different than the TRS.
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  8. alpineboard

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    As far as the Beta carb removal, I have a evo 2t, and can take the carb off in under 15 minutes, re jet it , and back on in another 15 min.
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  9. heffergm

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    They're talking about a 4t. Totally different on the beta.
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  10. motomofo

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    Yeah, the carb is a pain to remove on the Beta 4T. But that shouldn’t deter anyone from owning one. The jetting is very consistent, so once turned properly you’re good to go. I seem to remember only taking the top off and changing the diaphragm spring when I went somewhere at higher elevation.

    The Beta and TRS are two completely different animals with completely different personalities. In this case, your decision should boil down to which bike works better for you.

    Also, I haven’t heard of anyone having trouble getting parts for a TRS.
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  11. Norman Foley

    Norman Foley Devotee of the Husqvarna

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    You seem most concerned about support and from your UK perspective... It's hard to beat Beta, with John Lampkin having been the UK Beta Importer for nearly 30 years. This combined with a dealer you like and trust, should make for a good experience. TRS UK.... Steve Saunders switched from being the UK Jotagas Importer to UK TRS Importer and some posts on Trials Central Forum said it was a rocky transition. Is this part of the lack of spares in the UK.... I'm not sure? TRS seems to be a super professional company and it seems spares shouldn't be a problem. There are always supplier issues though.

    I know in the USA, I would have total confidence in TRS USA and Jim Snell to back up the bikes with spares, as Jim has such a good track record in the past.
    On the bikes themselves.... I'm a 2T guy and I would choose TRS over Beta.... On basic design and suspension components.
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  12. lineaway

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    Oil changes are quite harder than the 2 strokes, but better than a Montesa. Drain bolt, two bottom engine bolts with screen filters, then the oil filter itself. And this was done a few minutes ago.

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  13. t-dub

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    Agree with Norman on 2T over 4T. I know there are much better riders than I that ride 4T (and of course the long-standing world champion), but I cannot get over the fact that I would be riding a heavier bike and bringing unecessary engine parts to the section/trail. Either a potential failure, overheating, or just extra maintenance items on a hard use machine. I also have the opinion on 2T dirt bikes for the woods/mountains over 4T. With that being said, if someone rides a 4T better or enjoys it more, then most certainly choose or stick with it!
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    I am curious on what you feel are the biggest differences/personality between the two when riding. Can you elaborate a little on this? Currently I would still be torn on which brand to replace my Beta with if I was at that point...
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  15. dwb51

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    Small things i can manage no problem such as the chain tensioner and the spring for it. But the bigger things such as the interior cylinder head, and piston kits may be difficult to get. I know someone who had a trs throttle stuck wide open and it wrecked the engine. They are also having problems getting the parts. I am going to wait and see what deal my TRS dealer will be doing. If its not good enough, i will have no choice but to go for a beta.

    Thats another problem which worries me i want to keep on progressing, and from what i gather it takes a lot more effort to get more out of the beta 4t or any 4 four stroke in general.
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  16. North ride

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    Did you manage too wear out the 2016 Trs 300 already ? Or have they made many improvements too the 2019's over the 16's just curious .
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    No the bike is going fine just wanting to upgrade to the rr model to get the better suspension, the keihin carb, and better brakes.
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    My son was planning on another Beta 4T till he rode a 2018 TRRS Raga. He was quite impressed.
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    Update- Was trying to get a test ride on the TRS rr last weekend but got no phone call back from the dealer. When i was out riding my TRS, the clutch started to act up. It was like a switch,on or off it was very sharp.Then when i went up a gear it would not go into gear then it would slop into gear.Then the bike started to loose power, a lot when the bike was warm (this would be after riding for a while)So brought the bike straight home drained the oil and only 100ml came out. I changed the oil less than a week and a half ago. So I filled it back up with oil and took it straight to my bike dealer. When i checked the oil the next day (the one i drained) there was bits in it which looked like rubber.

    The fan was running perfectly and theirs plenty of coolant in the radiator
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