Beta RR /RS 4T enduro thread

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  1. the white rabbit

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    I havent heard or read much about them. I know some people who said they were ok, awful brakes and thats about it but maybe not on the 4.0. I wonder if they are an old Suzuki engine still? A true dualsport though really, I guess.

    The Alp 200 is an interesting concept with the seat and tank (?) coming off to turn it into a basic looking trials bike.

    Beta's own site is the only place I have seen them
    http://www.betamotor.com/en/bikes/show/5
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  2. PozoRider

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    I could be wrong but I don't think the Alp switches to a trials bike. I think the trials bikes have an optional seat/tank combo that gives them more range. American Beta has an Alp that we're evaluating, I haven't rode it yet but I it's supposed to be good.
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  3. the white rabbit

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    According to the Italian Beta site the 200 does but not the 4.0. Of course it wont be a 'real' trials bike.

    I cant grab the graphic but they say:
    >>Innovative new concept: from off-roader to trials bike in a few minutes
    It’s called the ALP, a classic among off-road two-wheelers, but all that is left of the previous model is the name. New design, new cycle parts, but above all a new concept behind it: it converts from an all-round off-road bike to a trials machine in a few minutes. The idea is as simple as it is brilliant. There are no accessories to buy, all you need is a screwdriver to remove the tank cover and seat, to get an entry level trials bike. One bike, two uses, and only a few minutes to make the conversion <<



    And yes, they also show the long range trials kit for the trials bikes.



    But as I say this is all just reading, havent seen any of this in real life :lol3
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  4. PozoRider

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    Right, I was thinking of the 4.0 that we have, didn't look at the 200.
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  5. the white rabbit

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    Anyone care to tell me what they are getting mileage wise to the 8.5l tank? I reckon its more like 8 and a bit being piccy.
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    So, I've been checking and searching for awhile (thanks for all the awesome info). I'm looking to change up my riding situation. Selling off a '03 Buell XB9R, '03 KDX 220R, and a '03 GasGas 280Pro in order to pick up a Beta 450/525RS (I can't decide which). Life changes and I want one bike to do it all. I don't ride the street that much, but I'm considering the Motard Kit so I can change the bike over pretty quick.

    Seems the RFS style motors have a great following and last really well. The oil changes and valve checks do not bother me. I didn't ride at all last year due to various reasons, but I ready to jump back in and trim my fleet down to get one really nice bike.

    I test rode a '08 450RS and the power was excellent in the dirt (couldn't try it on the street with M12's). This thing will primarily be an Enduro machine (nicest I would ever own) but I want to Commute to work maybe once to twice a week as well (40mi rnd trip). Would I be better off going with a 525 due to the street use. I've had to push my Buell to get out of crazy situations in traffic on more than one occasion. Is the 525 worth going for, considering I don't want to wear myself out with it on the trail? Everything is a give and take. In today's age the 450 might get a little better fuel economy as well.

    I have considered the Husky's but the 610's gear ratios turn me off for tight technical woods work (Rieter for those who know it). The same holds for the 450/510 TE's, with the close ratios on the street.
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  7. the white rabbit

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    Turbodeezul, this thread tends to be a little quiet. I guess the q is releant to KTM RFS owners too, but the nuances will be different, gearing etc maybe :dunno. I don't have enough experience to answer, I hope someone can help or maybe PM Rick PozoRider as he is our resident Beta man. :thumb
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  8. PozoRider

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    Hey Turbodeezul,

    I ride a 525rs, mostly offroad. I have ridden it to work a few times (64 miles rt), I perfer to ride my 950 to work. It's way more comfortable both physically and mentally. The 525 has planty of hp for the freeway, it's just so light you don't feel as though you should be out there with the cars and trucks.

    I ride the 525 everywhere offroad, from Baja to Sierra single track and everything in between. I'm pretty big, 6 ft. 240 lbs, if you're smaller you may like the 450 better, but the weight is not much different. It's a great bike offroad, I don't think you'll be disapointed with either one.
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  9. Turbodeezul

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    Thanks for letting me know. I've been checking out the EXC info over at ThumperTalk as well.

    I don't expect it to be excellent on the Hwy at all, but I do want smooth. Hence the reason I'm considering a full motard kit, so it would be quick to switch over. I remember feeling "small" out there with all the other cages, but good point. It is more of a once in awhile situation, not a consistent commuter. I never even did that with the Buell.

    Another question I thought of (trying to cover my bases by picking one bike to do it all). Wondering if it would be cheaper to just get another set of Std off road size rims and run D/S tires that are balanced. I was wondering if there is more tire selection going that route? I don't have any experience with D/S tires but I figure it would be hard to find an aggressive tread Motard sized tire (guessing 17"'ers). I figure this could be much more versatile if I found myself offroad.

    From a safety standpoint, would it be better to have the extra power of the 525 on the street? I like the idea of the 450 for the trail aggresiveness, but then again I rode the KDX for a long time but I hit the limit of the suspension on that bike. The power was fine. It took me a long time to realize that if I was down on power, I was a gear to high and not running in the power band or reading the comming situation better.

    Maybe I need to search for power characteristics and make a best guess on what might fit my style?
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  10. mcftw

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    good idea!:thumb

    ok sorry for the sarcasm... but i'm kinda interested in what you end up with:D
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  11. PozoRider

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    I rode a KDX200 once in FL, it was fun, keep it pinned and shift! The 525 Beta or KTM for that matter is a totally different bike, it almost doesn't matter what gear your in, grab a handful and it's going to go. It's not the MX style rip you arms off power, it's nice and easy but it gets up and goes when needed. It's very easy to ride, single track or wide open desert.

    As far as tires go I've been running Michelin Bajas, they're DOT and Hold up very well and work great offroad. I'm not sure about the safety aspect of having more hp, it can't hurt though. I went with the 525 vs 450 for Baja, I figured that the bigger engine would be taxed less on the long high speed sections down there.
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  12. the white rabbit

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    Ok, I posted this in tis own thread but maybe try here too.


    Fitting the clutch master cylinder boot...or can someone save me from myself :lol3

    Just taken off the lever to get a look to see if I have a leak at the master cylinder piston, and yep, it all fell on the floor :doh

    So what is puzzling me on putting it back together is the little boot that the plunger sits in.

    Does it really just sit in place, held on the plunger between the cylinder and the lever as if by luck or should it have some kind of clip to hold it in place?

    The surface of the master around the plunger looks squeeky clean so I cant see the boot would fit inside, and indeed it looks too big a diameter to do so.

    Here's some pics so I hope you can help me out. I can't find a schematic anywhere that shows this in detail.

    Here's my master cylinder

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    Here's the boot in question, does it just sit on the plunger and get jammed in there (sorry about the focus, or lack of)

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    Here's the whole setup (at least all the parts from the garage floor sans boot

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    Anyone help (and take my tools away maybe... :evil)
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  13. CrankyCoyote

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    Yup, the boot just sits in there. It slides up the plunger a little bit and down into the cylinder just enough to be held in place by friction.
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  14. the white rabbit

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    Thanks, Scud. :thumb
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  15. the white rabbit

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    A few pics around Bristol, UK

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    Only a couple of issues I am looking at. The clutch is dragging when cold and when hot, but its been bled and refilled and it will not start sometimes when hot, but I could be flooding it. Just getting used to niggles really, and I have only had time to ride it once :doh
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    Looks like lots of fun! That's weird about the clutch though. If it's dragging, that might be the source of your hot-start problem too if it's in gear.

    Another question for you (or any other Beta owners outside the western U.S.): do you have a Beta dealer near you? I've been trying to get a set of hubs or motard rims out of American Beta for the last month and a half and can't seem to get anywhere. All I really need is the hubs; I can get custom wheels laced up locally, but apparently the 04-07 hubs are pretty unique. I might even be able to make a RAD KTM front hub work, but nothing even comes close to the rear hub supposedly. I'm at the point where I'd consider ordering from somewhere outside the US if they could get me parts before this winter... :baldy
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    Scud, there are a few dealers but I havent tried any of them out as yet as they often say Beta but then do trials bikes...ok, if you have part numbers I guess.

    The only place I have spoken too is the main importer here and I think they do parts. If they will not ship to you I would be happy to help you out. Be better if you were able to speak to them so you got the right bits, but they could come to me then on to you. I can speak to them if required.

    They are here

    I also know of a wheelbuilder here with a Beta, I will try and make contact.

    What I really want is a big main European (Italian) dealer who has everything!

    BTW my clutch issue is exacerbated as (like my friends KTM400 and like another Beta I have ridden) neutral doesnt exist when the bike is running. Is yours the same?
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  18. the white rabbit

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    They list (this is the 2008 list mind you, assume it is for all years)
    22.07249.0.00 HUB FRONT RR 4T £109.75
    22.08027.0.00 HUB REAR RR 4T £137.60
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  19. gladiator

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    Hi Guys
    I have an 'o6 Beta 525 (love it) with a Rekluse clutch. I would like to modify the seat as I'm 6'2 but I want to use a cover which is as close to original as possible. i.e grippy, rubber etc, etc. Are these available and from where?
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    :wave

    Can't help on the seat, I'm a short arse so have the opposite problem. But good to see another owner about.

    Was the Rekluse clutch a straight KTM specified one?
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