Bicycle thread

Discussion in 'Sports' started by Zodiac, Jul 10, 2006.

  1. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    There should be a torque spec right there on the lockring itself. All it does is hold the cassette on the freehub body, so it doesn't need a ton of torque.

    Doubt it but give it a shot. FWI've seen the pins on a MC chain are much bigger. I know the side plates are farther apart. Same idea applies tho.

    Quick question: why do you think you need a chain tool?

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  2. Jim Moore

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    A couple quick group-ride etiquette questions for you guys. I do a Saturday morning group ride a few times a month. Some stuff happens that kinda makes me wonder "wtf?"

    First, we'll be cruising along in a line. The concept seems pretty simple to me. The lead guy has to work pretty hard, but everyone else gets sucked along, as long as we stay in line. Inevitably some douchebag pops out of line and rides about five feet to one side or the other. Sometimes for no reason at all, sometimes so he can drift around and flirt with the females. It kinda screws the guy behind him. It seems kinda unsat to me, but I don't know. Maybe that's just the way things work on a ride like that. What do you guys think?

    Next, I feel an obligation to take my turn at the front. I'm not fast, but I work hard and do the best I can when I'm up there. Several people in the group seem to feel no similar obligation. Inevitably they get almost to the front, then allow themselves to be shuffled back when the group stops for a light or a stop sign. I don't get it. It doesn't seem fair to everyone else in that group. There are plenty of slower groups on the ride. Why not just ride with them so they can contribute?

    Also, typically we have groups of 20-ish riders. If someone gets a flat the entire group stops and mills about in the road for ten minutes while one or two guys work on the bike. Is that standard? It seems to me it would be better to have 3-4 guys stay back to help fix the bike and pull to the next stop. Everyone else can continue. Would that violate some unwritten code?
  3. Jim Moore

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    Idk, I figured I needed one. Can you do it with standard hand tools? I have a dremel, so I can get the old one off easy enough.
  4. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    Measure first. :nod

    Break out a ruler and find the center of one pin. Measure 12" out and see where the center of that pin falls. If its 12" to 12 1/8" you're OK. 12 1/8" or longer? Replace. Plan on replacing your cassette if you've let your chain get beyond 1/8" stretch

    Oh, and buy a chain tool. :nod If you're mtn biking you WILL need one at some point or another. Sticks have this way of jumping up into your derailleurs... DAMHIK If you're wrenching at home, you'll need one to size your new chain(s)

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  5. Gummee!

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    As long as the dood in question doesn't leave a hole in the group, let him. No skin off your teeth. If he does leave a hole in the group, fill it then don't let him back in. Make him go to the back.

    People ride for different reasons. Some want the workout. Some want to toodle along in the group. There's no 'obligation' to pull. Ever. **Unless** its agreed on beforehand. Again: don't let it bother you. Its not worth the aggravation. If you're getting the ride you want, let them get in the ride they want.

    Your job, when you get to the front, is to keep the group rolling at the pace it was going before you got it there. No more. Always remember: constant EFFORT not constant speed.

    The unwritten code for this ride is 'everyone stops.' No, its not smart to have everyone standing around but on the other hand, its nice to not have to chase back on. BTDT both ways.

    All in all, ya have what sounds like a decent bunch with a few peculiar personalities. Enjoy!

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  6. Mr Head

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    So today is/was ride your bicycle to work day? I didn't.

    I did stream my lucky NPR station on my motorcycle commute. Grant was on a semi rant about wearing regular clothes to ride a bicycle to work, rather than look like a racer.

    In my experience thata only works in very limited instances.

    My commuting experiences are limited. For a while in college I could commute by bicycle. I used a Long-ish wheelbased French bike with a rear rack and front handlebar bag. I'd load that thing with about 40 pounds of engineering books and walking around clothes. The distance was 26 miles. each way. From South of Morrison Colorado into Downtown Denver.

    After graduation I got really lucky and landed a job 6 miles from my house. The bad news was there was not a real good route way there. Commuting in Commuter level traffic with zero shoulder on two lane roads. I found a way.
    Over the 8 years I worked there the commute got better to the point I had bike path nearly from my driveway to my office door.
    I never once wore regular clothes for any of those commutes. Never. Not once.
    When I had to wear a suit and tie, those outfit came along folded into waterproof bags. In my world there is rain, snow, dirt and junk getting thrown up from the road and falling off passing cars and trucks.

    I dressed like a bike geek. There are several different bike geek costumes. One is the racer, another is the whole grain vegan world traveler. I usually fell someplace inbetween. I've never found any rain gear that kept me dry without becoming a sauna within a few minutes.

    I'm not completely convinced that all modern materials and gear are required to commute by bicycle and for those lucky few who have a flat five mile commute over slow streets with wide bike lanes, (well maintained white picket fences and lounging collies optional):lol3 you probably can get away with a ride to work. If I lived within five miles of my work I'd walk. This being Orange County California that is challenge enough given we don't seem to build sidewalks. Getting to my office by bicycle would require quite the trundle for me now. it is 28 miles. I have to transport a notebook computer. This is not some miracle light and tidy Macbook thing. This is an honest to goodness fat-daddy oinking pig of a semi portable PC. Schleping this thing through a few years of airports I've come to regard these things as a bane more than a tool, same goes for much of the software that bloats it's ever-expanding hard drive.:rofl
    And the areas that one passes through are not the sort of place you really want to be in the dark. Wee hours of the morning is likely better for safety than just after sunset. The bad guys seem to sleep in.:huh

    So, I'm exercising my "I'm not riding my damned ricky-racer-bike to work Day.":clap

    And so ends my rant.:rofl





    Man, I hope my back is better soon. I swear I've caught myself hanging clothes on my bicycle's handlebars.:lol3
  7. Aurelius

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    You're not doing it right. Road etiquette in Florida demands that when one rider has to stop to fix his bike, he needs to do it in the middle of the road. The rest of the group should stand around him blocking BOTH lanes so that no one coming from either direction can get around them. That's how we do it around here. :thumb
  8. Blur

    Blur Peddlin' motorcycles!

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    Just finished replacing my front and rear shift cables and housing, adjusted the rear caliper mount.... shifts SMOOVE AS BUTTER and ROLLS ON AND ON!!

    Now I wanna go find some dirt!!!!

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  9. Jim Moore

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    OK, thanks. I appreciate the insights.
  10. pierce

    pierce Aven'Tourer

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    for personal occasional use, the simplest cheap bike chain tool work just fine...

    I use one of these...

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  11. somecallmetim

    somecallmetim Surf &/or Die

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    My cheap xlc multi-tool has a chain breaker, you should probably carry a multi-tool anyway...

    http://www.amazon.com/XLC-19-Piece-...sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1337361192&sr=1-10


    If you can break to old one the new one should come with a quick link, no tools required.
  12. 2whl-hoop

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    Since the subject of chain tools came up, how do you break the SRAM chains with the sliding clip master link? :ear
  13. Mr Head

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    Grab at either side and push toward the center.
    Or, use needlenosed pliers to press the two rollers toward the center.
    After the first time it is easier. I bet there is a special tool someplace.

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  14. Jim Moore

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    OK, my bike has one of those, or something similar. So getting the old chain of won't be a problem. if I buy a new one of the same brand, do I still need a chain tool? I'm thinking "yes" because I need to shorten the chain to fit. Right?
  15. pierce

    pierce Aven'Tourer

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    yeah, that.
  16. Eyes Shut

    Eyes Shut See no evil

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    I bike commuted for about 25 years and am fortunate that the area I live in is relatively bike-friendly. I mostly work from home these days, so not so much bike commuting but I still use the bike to get around and run errands, and just for recreation. But I never had the bike-racer look 'cuz my bikes have always had panniers. Now, with my recumbent, I'm even more geekier-looking than before - :lol3--but way more comfortable than the racers!
  17. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    I've got one of those and I've got a Rivoli I bought in the late 80s that still works just fine

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    I'd *like*
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    ...but don't do enough work on chains to need one.

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  18. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    Park does make one and it does make it easier. Used mine today actually.

    If I hadn't gotten at shop employee price I wouldn't have bought it tho.

    I pulled apart 3 bikes to make 2 work. The Quattro Assi donated the rear derailleur and shifters to the Full Tilt Boogie that I just bought back. The Allez donated shifters and rear derailleur to the Quattro Assi. The Allez needs shifters and a rear derailleur now. :cry I HATE having bikes in the garage that aren't rideable. :baldy

    If you're wondering 'why didn't G! just take the parts off the Allez to put on the FTB?' the answer is the QA had Red on it and the Allez had Rival. Now the FTB has Red and the QA has the Rival. I'll probably end up with Force and take the Rival back off the QA and stick it back on the Allez.

    The upside to the whole shootin match is the nifty new KMC chain I'd bought for the Roubaix before I sold it went on the Allez (old chain/old cassette on the Roubaix). Now its on the QA. :clap I can get a 10sp chain pin for the chain that was on the Allez and put it back where it was. :thumb

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  19. surly357

    surly357 Cochetopa dreamin'

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    that's not good.

    although it seems to me you'd have to be especially unobservant for it to happen, i do see a surprising number of broken freehub threads from loosened lockrings and cogs being ridden off the end. (!)

    while most cassette lockring tools aren't socket style, which pretty much negates the value of the printed torque spec, by using one in combination with a medium sized crescent wrench i can't imagine anyone seriously overtightening their lockring. well, maybe popeye...
  20. Jim Moore

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    It kinda threw me for a minute. I've never taken the cassette off before. I got my fancy lockring tool all set up, and my cassette holder in place, and the thing just started spinning. I was like, "wtf?!"

    My lockring tool is actually a socket style, but I didn't have a socket to fit. I just tightened it with a crescent wrench to "pretty damn tight."