Bicycle thread

Discussion in 'Sports' started by Zodiac, Jul 10, 2006.

  1. Aurelius

    Aurelius Long timer

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    If you can put a HT with disk brakes together for a measly $400, I say go for it! I ride with this guy who has a clapped out old HT with cable actuated rim brakes and skinny tires, which looks like something built in the 1970's. It's a piece of garbage that I'd be afraid to ride. Yet he's managed one of the fastest lap times at our favorite local trail on it. :bow :bow
  2. brewer90

    brewer90 Been here awhile

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    Spend the extra $100 and get a 29er.

    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/fantom29_trail_xii.htm
  3. Mr Head

    Mr Head PowerPoint ADV

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    Got out for another ride. Hotter than Sunday and windy again.

    That left me sore. I used up two bottles of nuun, and four of water. Only ate two Chomps.
    Had to stop about a mile from home in some shade for a few minutes.
    When I got home I pulled the junk out of my pockets kicked off my shoes and socks re-loaded a bottle with ice and water and hit the pool. That started to get me cooled down. Two bottles of water and two big glasses of water later I am feeling not too bad. :clap
    The good news is my back doesn't hurt. Bad news is the damned toilet tank leaks.:baldy

    Tale of the tape:

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  4. Chisenhallw

    Chisenhallw Avowed Pussbag

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  5. Aurelius

    Aurelius Long timer

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    I've got one of each. I've read all the alleged advantages of the 29er's over 26er's, but I've been unable to prove any of them in practice. I've seen no noticeable advantage in climbing or stability or better traction over my 26er. My suspicion is that they're simply too small to be measured in anything but 'laboratory conditions'. What is instantly apparent however, is that my 26er is quicker through the turns, accelerates and stops faster than the 29er, and just feels a lot more lively and fun to ride aggressively. And the differences in these respects are by no means subtle.
  6. k7

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    Did a nice 41 mile ride today. I leave the Garmin trip timer running all the time - look at the speeds after the rest stop...it's where the speed flat-lines for 15 minutes or so. From that point on, we were basically at 25 mph or faster. Everyone was dropped out of 15 or so in this group except for three diamond-frame riders, me and my buddy David, also on a recumbent. Well, David was dropped in the last mile.

    Even more remarkable were the ages of the riders.... the other three were in their last 50's to mid-60's. David is a few years younger than me.

    Our moving average was a bit under 20. Given that it was an urban ride with a ton of lights, we did pretty good!
  7. Aurelius

    Aurelius Long timer

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    That's another reason I'm giving up road riding. I don't think it's at all fair that riders much older than me are able to ride faster. At least on the mtb trails, I'm the oldest one out there, and in the rare instances where someone does pass me on the trail, I can always use the excuse that he's half my age. :thumb
  8. ducnut

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    I think a lot of that has to do with riding style, experience, and terrain. Up here, everyone sees a noticeable difference in what a 29er can do. The two regulars who ride with me, saw it on the very first time I went out on my 29er. As you may recall, I've ridden the trails you ride. There's a noticeable difference in the sugar sand and rooted areas.

    Also, you're comparing a long-travel 26" (plush-absorbs it all and has a totally different suspension design from your 29er) to a XC 29er (tighter ride). I think if you compared like bikes, with the same suspension design and travel, rode at a faster pace, rode more challenging terrain (more mountainous area), you'd see the difference. I'm not putting down your capabilities, let me be clear about that.

    I'll agree with that. I kept my 26" for a while, before letting it go. But, everytime I grabbed a MTB, I took my 29er. I do miss the lively ride of my 26", though.
  9. Aurelius

    Aurelius Long timer

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    I think I can say pretty confidently that I've ridden these two bikes on every kind of terrain one can find in the area: little rocks, huge boulders, small and large roots, sugar sand, hard packed dirt, steep climbs and descents, and even through grassy fields. I've also had two very experienced riders (Ben Mays, who runs a mtb training school, and Dave, a former BMX racer) do back to back tests, and both came away with exactly the same impressions I have. Neither could say for sure whether the 29er was indeed faster over all, but both said without the slightest reservation that it felt slow and sluggish compared to the 26er.

    I'm not aware of any 29ers with 6" of shock travel, so I don't know how such a comparison could be made. I'm told that 29ers typically have less shock travel because their larger wheels roll over objects more easily. That would still mean however, that a 29er with 4" of shock travel would be less effective at absorbing hits when going off drops than a 26er with a full 6" of shock travel.

    It would be a perfectly legitimate point if you did. Rider skill is obviously going to determine to some extent how the bike behaves. Long travel suspension may make up for imperfectly timed landings, for instance - something an expert rider may not experience at all. A 26er, which allows the rider to make more rapid adjustments in speed when entering corners or when climbing steep slopes, is going to be more forgiving in instances where I'm either carrying too much velocity or too little. I also find it much easier to make rapid course adjustments, which pays big dividends when racing up a slope and not knowing which way the trail will turn as I reach the top. A more experienced rider would be familiar with these trails and have chosen his entry perfectly to avoid any surprises. Yet the fact that a 26er enables me to make up for these kinds of mistakes is something I would say counts for it rather than against it. :dunno
  10. Blur

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  11. enjine

    enjine Been here awhile

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    Just picked this up today. I have been out of bike riding for years but the area where I live has lots of great roads and paths. This bike should be perfect for the kind of riding I do.

    My R1100R and XR400 will handle everything else.

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  12. brewer90

    brewer90 Been here awhile

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    I'm faster on my 29er than on my 26er on my timed route that I've been riding for four years. I also climb better on it and clear a lot of rocky ledge climbs that I never could before it. I broke my rear derailleur on my Niner and went back to my Yeti 26er and didn't like it. I sold it once I got my Niner fixed. Different strokes I guess.
  13. brewer90

    brewer90 Been here awhile

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    And other wise people have said just the opposite. Both bikes have their pros/cons - just get the one you like and enjoy the sport:clap
  14. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    its a lot easier on your bike and wallet to learn how to pick a line and ride smoothly.

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  15. Stinez

    Stinez Rhymes with Heinz :D

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    I'm faster and climb better on my 29er than my 26er. :nod

    It may have something to do with the ~6lb weight difference. :evil

    That said, riding the heavier bike for the last several years has conditioned me to the point of riding up with the fast kids now that I'm on a equally capable and lighter 29er.

    Some of them used to try to drop me on climbs but they've learned that I'm there to stay.

    OTOH -Having gone down kinda hard on a steepish section on the 29er I've been checking my speed on HD's until I regain my confidence. (It's a slow process because my aim is the long term.)
  16. rbrsddn

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    OTOH -Having gone down kinda hard on a steepish section on the 29er I've been checking my speed on HD's until I regain my confidence. (It's a slow process because my aim is the long term.)[/QUOTE]


    And broken collarbones and separated shoulders are no fun atall! Ask me how I know!
  17. brewer90

    brewer90 Been here awhile

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    And why is this not possible on a 29er?
  18. Blur

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    I cracked two ribs each of the first two years after getting back into mountain biking. I was afraid it was going to become a tradition :lol3
    Thankfully, haven't cracked any ribs since 2008.
  19. rbrsddn

    rbrsddn 3banger

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    Werd!:lol3 I separated my shoulder in '99 on the Fat Chance, first ride with my new Time Atac's. Popped a wheelie in a neighbors driveway, bounced off a tree, while failing at unclipping, and had my first visit with Vicodin. Collarbone was on the M/C, but a few firsts there too. First ambulance ride ever. First taste of Morphine. First long ride home with then GF while not talking for hours... Not things I want to repeat anytime soon! :1drink the plus side of the collarbone was it happened at the beginning of the '03 TDF. I laid on the couch for 3 weeks watching bike racing, popping Vicodin.:D
  20. Oznerol

    Oznerol Motion Enthusiast

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    I started learning much faster on a FS bike. Because when I chose a bad line, I still knew it -- the squish doesn't hide your mistakes, it just reduces the associated penalty a bit. That made me bolder about trying new things, which helped me to learn more quickly. Also, I didn't wear out nearly as quickly from soaking up the hits with my legs, so I rode more, which also contributed to faster learning.

    But more importantly: I have more fun riding a more capable machine. That's what it's all about in the end.