I do a Saturday morning ride with the local club and I'm slowly learning the names, faces and even riding styles. I'm in my mid-50's and it's clear that most of these guys are older and have been riding for quite some time. I still remember the first sting of my first club ride in March of last year. We made the turn out of the parking lot, made another turn onto a main street and I was dropped in less than a mile. Now, it's different. Fast? I don't know what fast means to you. My experience is limited but let me describe a typical ride: 35-40 miles Terrain varies but not an awful lot of hills since we're in the desert Pace: pick your poison. I usually start from the back and then make my way to the front. Size: 65 ~ 100 riders depending on the weather. Here's a slice of my speed from last Saturday's ride: Every slowdown is a result of approaching a traffic light and then with the green, it's a sprint back up to speed. They actually ride up to the intersection and stop. I prefer to soft-pedal and stay clipped in. We're in a very urban area so there are major intersections every mile and maybe a few smaller ones in between. I do OK with this group. I usually hang off the back but I'll usually pass and take a turn pulling at the front. We had some "state champion" riding with us last week and the pace was a tad faster than normal. The sprints do get a little tiresome but I don't mind. These mid-30 mile rides are my workouts to keep me rolling on longer, slower-paced rides. The previous Sat's ride involved a tandem with some fairly deep wheels. I swore I was going to take it easy on that particular ride but I couldn't help myself when the tandem passed.... too much temptation. We managed to catch and pass the fast group. They did their best to jump on my rear wheel but our little train was moving at 27-28-29-30 mph and I know from experience that those speeds are a little high for these guys. The actions at the lights were the same: the fast group would pull up with us and then do a jackrabbit start. I'd stay with the tandem and we'd build speed slowly like a locomotive and then catch and pass the fast group. Eventually, the tandem team slowed enough for me to take a couple of turns at the front and then the tandem were subsequently dropped. They may have had a mechanical issue since they dropped fairly fast. I love this stuff. The workout is solid, these guys are good riders and that pushes me to be smooth and controlled. Fact is, many of them are older than me - retired, etc and are pretty serious about their riding. I don't get too many comments about the recumbent anymore but when the tandem and I passed the pace line, I heard a "not again" from someone. I think some were dreading the front of the pace line quickening the pace to try and catch a draft from us. I'm very, very curious as to how many ride with clubs and how your experiences compare to mine. Are you on a high racer? Low racer? Do you ride with the faster group or somewhere in the middle? What are the typical speeds like? Or, are club rides not your thing? I get that too.