Bicycle thread

Discussion in 'Sports' started by Zodiac, Jul 10, 2006.

  1. Stinez

    Stinez Rhymes with Heinz :D

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    I use GPS tools to tell me my various speeds and times over the various routes I ride. :deal

    I try to do better over time with the knowledge that conditions like wind, traffic and slight adjustments in the route can influence the results. :deal

    It's not a perfect plan and the place I see the most improvement is on mountain bike rides where I can compare myself to some of the kids I'm often chasing.
  2. RxZ

    RxZ Legal Drug Dealer

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    I follow averages as well, because over time they are far from meaningless.

    In my case, I do not race actual races. I ride my MTB for exercise and fun. On the exercise front, if (over time) my heart rate stays at the same rate, but I am finishing the same course faster (faster average rate) then my body is getting stronger. Less heart beats and less oxygen demand for the same amount of work. Or conversely, if I finish the same course in the same time but my heart rate is lower, then again my body has become more efficient, and hence "stronger". That is the as good as any way I know to measure "getting in shape".

    Now, in the future will I start riding in local races, and therefore training in a particular way? Maybe, why not really? But I am not to the point where I even want to, so it is a moot point :D

    All that said, with riding at night being new to me, and clipless pedals being new to me, finishing the course without a broken leg is the current goal :lol3
  3. Aurelius

    Aurelius Long timer

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    It's a worthy goal. :nod
  4. Aurelius

    Aurelius Long timer

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    Well the nice UPS man just delivered my new bicycle work stand. But since I only paid $50 for it, I won't be telling any of you snobs what it is. :fitz
  5. k7

    k7 Ancien cyclist

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    If my goal was to be competitive in a racing environment, I think the services of a coach would be money well-spent. Someone like Jim Verhaul who regularly exceeds 400+ miles in a 24-hour event and has coached riders at all levels and events.

    Second best option would be the author that Gummee noted, Joe Friel and his book. I assume he meant The Power Meter Handbook. You can read an sample from it here.

    Another resource is Training and Racing with a Power Meter.
  6. Stinez

    Stinez Rhymes with Heinz :D

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    Are you using a heart rate monitor?

    I have friends that use them and swear by them but I'm not sure that I want to embrace the distraction that they appear to be.
  7. RxZ

    RxZ Legal Drug Dealer

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    Yes.

    But you are right, huge distraction while trying to negotiate trees that oare only a couple of feet apart. I only look at it when I stop for water. For the most part, I can tell when my heart rate is too high or too low. I can not tell you an exact number, but I can get within about 10 BPM of actual. I try to stay in the 150's while riding. There are sections of the trails I will coast more, and the rate comes down, and big hills where I max out. But if over an hour of riding my rate comes out in the 150's, then I know I got a good aerobic workout :1drink

    It all comes back to what Gummee said earlier: people tend to train too fast on slow days, and too slow on fast days. The only way to know for sure is by heart rate.
  8. RxZ

    RxZ Legal Drug Dealer

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    I was thinking of you on that one liner :deal

    I am glad you are pretty much better though!
  9. YakSpout

    YakSpout Obstacle Allusion

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    I've got a buddy that was club riding for a while and just started racing and he swears by it. My Garmin's strap was usually in my closet, but he convinced me to start wearing it and paying attention. It's sort of like cadence. Once you know what 90rpm feels like you don't need to check the computer display to know you're at 85 or 95. You can feel it.

    I found it's similar with HR. Once I could associate how I feel with my HR number, I didn't need to pay any attention to it other than an occasional glance.

    115-120bpm I'm cruising with my wife. 135bpm I'm cruising solo. 150bpm I'm chasing a faster buddy or climbing. 175bpm I'm going to die after I finish throwing up.

    :rofl
  10. Stinez

    Stinez Rhymes with Heinz :D

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    Does anyone sell a heart rate monitor that records over a longish period of time?

    I'd love to overlay a heart rate chart over a Google maps route. :evil
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    fullmonte Reformed Kneedragger

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    You stop for water? :eek1 Houston, we have a problem.:D
  12. k7

    k7 Ancien cyclist

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    I use a Garmin Edge 500 and download all of my data from it to the garmin site. That includes power, cadence, HR, speed, temp, etc. You can select two data sets and display them on connect.garmin.com as such:

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  13. Stinez

    Stinez Rhymes with Heinz :D

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    I'm not sure that I want to make that kind of financial commitment.

    I do like the looks of some of the less costly options but I'm not sure I actually need one for what I do. :dunno
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    k7 Ancien cyclist

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    I'm sure there are low cost HRM that will allow you to download the data but without a GPS, you won't be able to overlay the data on a Garmin map - you'd be missing the time/distance/position data. The Garmin does that very nicely, it's power-efficient and is reasonably weatherproof.
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    rbrsddn 3banger

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    +1 on the Garmin Edge 500. Definitely a good way to track your miles/progress throughout the year. I got the bundle with the cadence/speed and HRM, but haven't used the HRM yet. It provides a lot of useful data.
  16. RxZ

    RxZ Legal Drug Dealer

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    Yeah, I use a Garmin watch with HRM. Kinda pricey, but like said, the only way to accurately overlay a GPS track with HR. Also, mine is good for about 7 hours of tracking. Found that out on a MTB ride this past summer I should not have been on :eek1

    The first time I used mine on the bike, I was amazed that after about an hour of riding my average HR was 143. Sounds good, but based on my age it should have been in the mid-150s. Still a good workout, but the slightly higher heart rate is better at burning calories. Too high and you start burning protein, so that is why you want to monitor and keep it in a range.
  17. YakSpout

    YakSpout Obstacle Allusion

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    Do you have an iPhone? There are ANT+ compatible adapters that will let you add a HRM and it will track during your ride with various apps.

    Adapter for iPhone

    There are a few ANT+ Android phones, but not many and there are no adapters at this time.
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    k7 Ancien cyclist

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    Any experience with these apps, the add-on device and battery life?
  19. Stinez

    Stinez Rhymes with Heinz :D

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    I have an android and just downloaded the instant heart rate app.

    I'll play with it before going any further into the heart rate monitor direction.
  20. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    Its that too, but its still a bad way to train.

    That's because you're a TT/Tri guy. Average speed is where its at for y'all. Max steady state riding = good for you. :nod You don't need to worry about anything else. Best way to screw up a triathlete? Vary the pace a bunch. Especially make em chase you down. :razor

    I rode with a pro triathlete once. Sonofagun could hold right at XXmph (I don't remember how fast, but it hurt!) for hours. Uphill, downhill didn't matter. He didn't have anything else except that one speed. It was a heckova speed, but that was his one trick.

    I liken Strava to loud pipes on cuisers. 'hey lookit ME!! I got a KOM!' The only positive I see out of it is if you use Strava as a benchmark to hit on specific training days for specific reasons. Otherwise, if you wanna race, race.

    See above about TT/tri guys and their riding. What works for y'all won't work for anyone racing anything else except maybe mtn biking and to a lesser extent cross.

    Doubt my head'll explode. I can and have ridden in the city. Its a different skill set than riding out here in the cowfields. ...and yeah, triathletes typically are NOT cyclists. :nah Keep those aero bars away from me! I've ridden with Emilio DeSoto and some of his friends too. I was expecting a bunch of out of control wankers but what I found were a group of decent cyclists that knew 'the rules.' So it ain't all of em. :nah

    I'm talking about the 'generic' training book: the Cyclist's Training Bible. I actually don't have a power meter other than the one on my Cateye Psychostimulator. ...and I can't see that AND the time at the same time right now. Gotta download the manual and see if I can't change some data fields around.

    M