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Discussion in 'Sports' started by Zodiac, Jul 10, 2006.
Honestly, I have no interest in electric shift, but, realize many people dream of it.
Pretty sure there was a single-speeder in the race....
Who are all these thousands of 'people' whose minds you presume to know? :huh When you make these sorts of pronouncements, does it cross your mind for even an instant that Strava leader boards display listings of hundreds of riders, and that only the ones near the very top would have anything to brag about? Do you really think that the guys in 300th or 400th place posted these results because they wanted everyone to see them? I don't know what these other software packages you mention are. I've never heard of them. Like many people, I began using Strava because other riders recommended it to me. It seems to be the most popular software of its kind. That's why we use it.
The KOMs mean just as much as any other placing on the leader boards: they tell their owners what their performance level is compared to what it was a month or a year ago. There is an entirely understandable amount of pride attached to being at or near the top, but placements on the leader board are in a constant state of flux; the guy who holds the KOM today knows full well that he's only in first place because none of the riders who are faster than he is have bothered to ride that segment.
I find it very peculiar that all of your arguments proceed from the same unquestioned assumption that only race results 'mean anything'. Why should anyone believe that? Why do you think that racing from point A to point B is somehow more 'meaningful' when multiple riders do it simultaneously rather than when a single rider does it? What makes the former any less arbitrary than the latter? You do realize that a bicycle race is just an artificial game that someone made up, don't you? It's no more 'meaningful' than any other contrived game like basketball or soccer. The only reason you invest it with greater importance than other games is because it's something YOU happen to love doing. Blinded by your emotional investment in it, you've come to imagine that everyone who doesn't race, secretly aspires to. Put this fantasy aside for just a moment and consider that to an objective observer, bicycle racing is just as trivial as pole vaulting, bowling, or seeing who can eat the most hot dogs in an hour. None of these 'mean' anything, except to the people who think it does.
I guess peoples perception of Strava differ.... Imagine that.
Can you knock if off now?:huh
Just got off the bike. 2:48 out and about SW of here. Headwinds suck. Tailwinds rawk!
Stave is the Facebook of cycling.
(drooling on that 18 lb hardtail last page)...
as an aside... kinda surprised the mountain folks haven't adopted internal shifting hubs like the Affine 8 and 11 speed stuff. I'd think they'd work much better in messy muddy bushcrashing kind of riding. are they too heavy? too fragile?
The whole Strava seems a bit odd to me.
I can see both the sides being presented, but ultimately, it feels like boasting about your practice. I can't imagine ever boasting about rugby practise. "I did the longest beep test" doesn't have the same ring to it as "We won and I scored the winning try."
But it's probably worthwhile to track your progress.
to me, its about like those bumper stickers "MY STUDENT IS AN HONOR ROLL STUDENT AT ______ MIDDLE SCHOOL". or posting your golf scores on facebook.
I don't get it either, but we all have different reasons for doing things. Aurielus is just over a year from breaking his hip. Just the fact that he can get out and ride is pretty damn good. Whatever works for him, I guess.
Nah, it's more like rugby league vs. rugby union. I don't know *anybody* who plays rugby league, but clearly *someone* does.
Re: the Niner Air 9 on the previous page. Pinch the down tube on both sides down by the BB with your thumb and forefinger. The tube will visibly give. It's a stupid light frameset.
so basically, the first time you blow a drop and land stupid/heavy, its going to shatter?
That's the nature of carbon layups; thickness based on loads. For sure, that's a race machine and not for the average trail rider.
Doubtful. Niner wouldn't build it, if that were the case.
A Niner Jet 9 RDO is one of the few bikes I lust after. Of course I'd take an MCR 9, too.
If my clydesdale butt was on that thing it would probably fail.
Remember, ultralight stuff like that is designed for a 150lb rider max.
I'm not saying it is bound to fail but it surely won't be the most durable thing for most of
us well fed types.
Agreed. I wouldn't worry a bit about it breaking when being ridden as intended (straight-up XC). OTOH, the prospect of a good, hard crash would probably cause me to lose some sleep.
On the fantasy front, I'd really like a Mooto X RSL. Pretty please.
The reason it seems odd to you is because you've made a wholly unjustified assumption. 'Practice' for what, exactly? Practice for racing? What makes you think the average Strava user has the slightest interest in entering races? The vast majority of Strava users upload their rides for the reasons I've already listed, and it has nothing to do with being a wannabe racer. When I got involved in weight training, I kept very precise records of all my workouts. These records allowed me to plot my progress over time, to set realistic goals, to see which types of exercise routines produced the best results, and so on. None of this suggests for one minute that I entertained any thoughts about entering weight lifting competitions. Why is it so difficult for some here to understand that exactly the same considerations hold true for bicycling?
You could say exactly the same thing about my 16 lb Trek Madone. Yet when I performed the 'pinch test' on the frame, there was no noticeable flexing anywhere. No flexing on my other two CF frames either.
A seemingly reasonable assumption, but one that has been repeatedly disproved. Frames do suffer structural failure, despite the best intentions of their designers. I know two local racers who have experienced multiple frame failures on their CF bikes. When they return them under warranty, they're given another frame just like it, which eventually also fails. They break in the same way and in the same locations as before, which points to a design flaw that the manufacturers, for whatever reason, have never rectified.
Did you publish them ?
Nobody is suggesting that keeping records is a bad thing, what people find distasteful is all this 'dick-waving' by publishing them online so you you can brag about how well you've done.
Nowt wrong wi rugby t'league (if you are from northern England, that made perfect sense )
I'm actually more a Union man but I still enjoy League - to me, it's less skilful but boy, it's a tough game. Never played, I was a Union guy.