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Discussion in 'Sports' started by Zodiac, Jul 10, 2006.
"Iconic" is the new "epic".
Now comes the Rapha Iconic Line. You heard it hear first.
There's weight weenies and there's weight weenies
I'm neither. Just ride the darn thing!
We just got back from the annual birthday ride. 58 miles in a wind gust filled ride. At times I thought I was stopped completely. Lots of fun, and cold beer topped it off!
Thx! With the crappy weather we've been having, it was a more difficult effort than years past. I'm really looking forward to some mid 60's and 70 degree weather around here!!!
Go man go!
We did 53mi of mixed surface roads yesterday. 3:22 or so of moving time. 2 flats: mine ($50 tubular) and a buddy's ($3 tube). In the defense of the tubulars, he's had half a dozen flats already where I've had one.
For a second, I thought you were referring to upcoming birthday rides.
I was starting to get the "shiny new part" syndrome a couple of weeks back when I serendipitously(sp?) read an article by some guy who has been riding for four years. His thoughts on buying a new bike or part for this new thing you want to do... Ride what you have until it breaks, and by then you will know how that part excels and how it comes up short and can buy the next part accordingly.
Perfect timing reading that. I have put about 300 miles on my MTB since buying it this previous summer, and honestly I don't think I know it or me well enough to go out buying new parts.
We're getting there!!!! My buddy Tim is going to be 62 in November. That should be an easy one, with a few thousand miles ridden...
I keep trying to tell people the exact same thing. Too bad no one listens to me.
In 300mi if you haven't eaten a stick, dropped it on the wrong side, or done anything else wonky, the parts you have should be darn near new. Ride it. Clean it/lube it. Repeat. Things last longer and work better that way.
Someone once said that 60% of every brevet is 90% mental. I suppose that means that with the proper tools, you can convince yourself that you can ride 750-miles in less than 90 hours.
Looking at the numbers always helps me over this mental hump. The picture below is a spreadsheet that someone set up for another event and I modified for this one. There are only three places to modify data, all indicated in blue: your average rolling speed, the minutes off the bike between controls and the time that you stay in the control itself.
The controls are points where you need to be at a certain time. If you're late, you're done. If you're early, you can rest until the controls "opens". Getting there early is a problem I usually don't have. Both your min and max speeds are determined by the overall length. For a 1200-km, the min is 8.3 miles per hour and the max is 16.2 mph.
Yes, 8.3 mph sounds easy but keep in mind to ride that speed and finish, you'd need to ride 8.3 mph for 90 hours in a row, no sleep, no food....nada.
So, here's a good idea of what I anticipate - steady and predictable:
Recumbents - at least my recumbent with my fat a$$ on-board is slow on the hills and they don't call it the Texas Hill Country 'cause it's flat. We once did a 600 mile tour there... over a week. That was 35 years ago.
Most of us start out strong and taper off over the next nearly four days. I shoot for a 16-17 overall average and then take what the road, the conditions and my body allows. Under the right conditions, I can kick it to 23 mph easily on the flats - even late on the third day. That's not typical though.
Once I'm on the ride, I never worry myself with the times on the controls. At a 15 mph overall, every two hours on the bike gives me an hour off at some point.
Contingency plan? Yep, if the hills are too much and I'm too slow, sleep will be sacrificed. Not having a support car works to your advantage. The first group of six riders at last year's Last Chance made it to the first control together. Of that six, four quit the ride there. They all had their own support and the temptation of a warm car on a wet cold day was impossible for them to ignore. I can hear them now, "Forget this. I'm done." These were some very, very experienced and fast riders.
I didn't have that choice - so I kept riding. I got around 8 hours sleep over 84.5 hours. Compare that to the numbers above - 84 hours total of which 19 hours in the controls. That allows for about 15 hours of sleep. That'd be super - but I doubt it'll work out that way. Either way, I hope I'm mentally tough enough to gut it out. All I'm doing is riding to the next control. Once I'm there, I eat a bit and set off for the next control.
17 days until the Texas Stampede 1200!
To be fair M, it was new tires I was looking at, nothing too shiny .
I had ridden a bike with wider tires on it and really liked it, but that bike is at least 4 times better than mine (and 5x the price :eek1 ). There are so many things that could have made that bike feel better to me that it just isn't worth going down that road.
My bike gets me from start to finish every time, what more could I want
The bike will last much more than 300 miles, but honestly I am surprised the tires have. Lots small trees were cut at ground level to make the local trails, and now those pointy bits stick straight up. i.e. tire daggers. The rear is starting to loose air between rides, but it will hold the air I put in prior to a ride, I just have to refill it before the next ride.
Those brevets sound completely nuts. I imagine the sense of accomplishment when done is fantastic, but I don't think I have the will to do something like that. The bikes are cool though!
tires are a different story. Tires are like tools. Hammers work real well for nails, but not so good for screws. Tire treads are the same way. Some are good for hardpack. Some are good for soft stuff.
I've tended to pick tires that'll do a little bit of everything. Starting with the original Ground Control thru my current version of the Z-max.
...but you have to experiment to see what works for you. Riding styles are like belly buttons: everyone's is slightly different.
Components? 'Nother story. People get a case of upgrade-itis () hoping that the new bit will 'fix' their riding. It typically doesn't. I have bikes that weigh between 15# and 22#. I go the same speed on all of em. (in fact, I need to go do some intervals here pretty soon. )
Try telling skinny-tire riders that wider tires are nearly as fast and way more comfortable. I switched from a measured 27mm tire to a measured 37mm tire and lost nothing. However, the 37s are so much more comfortable. I've been asked why I'm riding such a wide tire and try to explain it to them. But, people look at me like I'm an idiot. They don't realize I used to ride a TT bike for an everyday bike. I actually do know what skinny tires are about. As always, the engine is the biggest factor; not the tires.
The problem comes when you're the one on the big tires and all the rest of the guys you're with are riding the small tires. Especially when you're trying to keep up with significantly faster riders than you are. Those few extra watts are a doGsend at speed.
For example: 2 weeks ago, I was on the Wed ride on my 32/32 training wheels. The end of Antioch Rd couldn't come fast enough 'cause I was darn near redlined. Last week, I rode my lighter, more aero wheels and I had a little left at the end of the road. HR was 5-10 beats lower and the legs weren't screaming at me nearly as much.
Still got dropped on the hill, but I could ride to the first steep section with the group.
For JRA, I've found that I'm darn near as fast on my 32c Tufos as I am the 23c Contis. ...and the Tufos insulate me more from the vibrations of the road.
Gotta go ride... Back later
Since switching to gravel, I no longer have that problem.
Makes one of us. My riding buddy is like a pit bull with a bone even off-road.
If you were riding in a mostly flat area like Florida, could the same rider maintain a higher speed than he could on a regular road bike?