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Discussion in 'Sports' started by Zodiac, Jul 10, 2006.
Trek owns the following: Bontrager, Klein, Gary Fisher, Lemond.. did I miss anything?
Coke, Ford, Kleenex, and Microsoft. Trek owns everything.
and people bitch about Specialized, heh. Trek shut Bontrager (a santa cruz local high end bike maker) down, and now just uses it as a brand name on a bunch of different stuff (tires, forks, yada yada).
AFAIK, Specialized has designed all their own stuff and not acquired anyone. Per a bit of googling, they are still majority owned by the founder, although they sold a significant minority interest to Meridia of Taiwan, who has been one of their principal suppliers all along.
Trek shut bontrager down?
I was under the impression that Keith Bontrager sold the name and his skills to Trek and moved out of frame production. His choice.
Somebody's getting a bit defensive.
Trek bought Bontrager Cycles, made and sold Bontrager branded frames and bikes for a few years, then shut down the frameshop, and just continued to use the brandname on wheels and assorted components. I gather Keith still works for Trek (per wikipedia bio). BTW, Santa Cruz Cycles is a spinnoff of Bontrager Cycles, was cofounded by Keith's ex-partner.
I just had a conversation yesterday with a supposed friend of Keith's. She relayed the story as being pretty benign. Keith was struggling to stay afloat, making great parts and bikes, but being a shitty business person. Trek came in and asked if they'd like to be part of Trek, designing parts, but not building frames. Keith said yes and is still the head of Bontrager.
Am I being hypocritical for not liking Specialized because I know of very specific shit they pulled (having your lawyers go after a company for using "stumptown" in the name of a bike made in stumptown is bad enough for any sane person to say "fuck you Specialized"), and not disliking Trek for stuff I don't know that they might have done?
A 2005 Klein Attitude XV.
It's Very Niiiiice.
So, I am now officialy in the group "The Horribles". Been riding my fixed gear every day. Getting pretty good on it. We went out the other night and did a 35+ mile ride at a killer pace. That was after riding around Seattle for the day. 2 days later and I'm still sore.
The Horribles? Are they anything like The Warriors?
Part A. That's the story. Many of the Bontrager employees now work at Santa Cruz and SC is actually in the same location that Bontrager used to be in. Keith now rides a ton and is in really good shape. He puts in Mega-miles riding and testing all through the Santa Cruz Mountains and races 24 hour events (often with the Dirt Rag crew) and does several multi-day MTB stage races like the Trans-Rockies and Trans-Alps. The sale was a good thing, but it was still hard to take. Keith didn't get rich off of it but he has a great job now (and he didn't know then that the frame shop would be shut down so soon) and doesn't have to not pay himself to keep the payroll going.
You got me Knary. That lawyer shit can be harsh and I know Specialized has had some heavy handed moments. Man did they ever get screwed with some recent sponsorships. First golden boy MTB racer Filip Meirhaeghe gets popped for Epo and then they sponsor Quick-Step (Tom Boonen) and a fire storm erupts involving Patrick Lefevere past present and future indiscretions. When Johan Museeuw finally admitted drug use this past January (he had been caught and banned and had retired but kept denying it. His change of heart came when the prosecutor convinced him to plea bargain - a confession - Apparently they told him they had enough evidence to send him to jail.) Any way, Musseuw's confession opened up a can of worms and a lot of fingers are pointed at Lefevre. Specialized must be going :eek1 not again! I think they make pretty nice bikes though.
What indiscretions are you worried about over at Trek?
Cool I just did my biggest fixed ride last wknd (36m) and I feel pretty good. It's amazing, my avg speed really hasn't suffered from when I rode gears.
Still haven't mastered trackstands, or skidstops (tires are expensive anyway). I'm doing the 5boro bike ride in May (I think it's the largest bike ride in the world) where they shut down half of NYC and the outer boro's to bicycles. Gonna take the Fixed this time (45mile course, approx.).
Fixed is fun.
I just got my new fixie on the road. It's been about 5 years since I've had one and all I can say is a 46x16 is too big!
Thank you for the additional info.
I don't know what Trek may or may not have done. I was responding to Pierce's comment...
... that was spurred by a response to my saying that my wife might be getting a Lemond.
I believe in making at least an effort to support companies with 'better' business practices. I'm not naive about what's involved in running a large business, but, again, Specialized's involvement in the shutting down of a local and much loved bike company (Mountain Cycle) makes me not want to give them any of my money.
Portland, as you know, takes its bicycles very seriously - too seriously, IMHO. So this topic is a very sensitive one around here and all the more amusing with Trek's and Specialized's number one dealers (or #2 or #3 depending on who's counting what year) both here in Portland. Trek's is The Bike Gallery. The owner of which is very involved in the local cycling scene and actively supports organizations like the Community Cycling Center (great place a couple blocks from my house). Specialized's is River City Bicycles, the other big bike shop in town. These two current giant brands of the industry are clearly well represented here, the land of the anti-corporate boutique bike shop and builder. If we could sell disdain, we'd be the richest city in the world.
p.s. disdain is best served while drinking Starbucks and wearing a pair of Nike sneakers.
I'm loving my 48 x 17
I went out this morning on the new blur, had to try it on some single track, lots of short steep climbs with lots of rocks, and damned if it didnt eventually loosen my lower back up which has been painfully stuck for about 3 months. Usually thats been the worst thing for it hammering up a climb. So im thrilled, new bike and my back feels better then it has in quite a while. and that Blur LT works great considering i havent tried to set the suspension up yet. It handles good and removes a lot of abuse on a rocky trail . Pretty cool bike.
I have track stands down now. I can ride backwards in a circle a few times...till I get dizzey and fall. Skid stops are kind of hard. I can't get my rear wheel to stop bouncing off the ground. Still have done whole rides not using my brakes. Riding fixed is fun. It's like learning to ride well for the first time again.
So Perry, since the fixie arrived how many days have the other bikes seen the light of day?
Well you probably missed (page 184 in thread) it but I posted that I took the BASSO apart completely, and will be putting those comps on a new Cannondale System Six frame (Which I put a deposit on at Sids), so no more roadie for now.
And I actually did a complete overhaul of the Klein, so it's good as new, did some single trak riding out in North Shore L.I. a few weeks back, and left it out there at the folks.
No room at the apt, since Traci got her new rig (Cannondale Synapse aluminum), trying to get her into it....