Bicycle thread

Discussion in 'Sports' started by Zodiac, Jul 10, 2006.

  1. ifallalot

    ifallalot Jo mamma makes me cry...

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    Krietler is the way to go... i used to work at the manufacturing facility... purchased the tubing and saw alot of sets turned on the lathe. The key to smooth rollers is the balance of the tubing. Krietlers methods are unmatched... You can get the "fork stand" if you wish to use your rollers as "hands free" trainer...
  2. Zodiac

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    Being a big Kreitler fan I have to disagree, there's a new roller king in town and here's a link -

    http://www.insideride.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=36


    Watch the many videos of how hese things work and you'll see how archaic regular rollers seem against them.


    Definitely on my wish list.
  3. Gummee!

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    I've always wanted a pair of Kreitlers, but the Tacx unit I have hasn't worn out yet! I got it for Christmas in about 1990...

    :evil

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  4. Zodiac

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    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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  6. Zodiac

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    Not in my neck of the woods..:lol3 I'd say the avg bike in my bike club is around 2500 and up..

    Hey, Kreitler's are around 400 to 800 depending on the model and extras...those insiderides also have adjustable resistance built in.

    Not bad really.
  7. flip18436572

    flip18436572 Broke ex-YMCA employee

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    I don't have a bike club in my area, but I would guess the average bicycle cost in my small town is under $200.00. I only know of one other person who has spent more than me on a bicycle, and he used to own a bicycle shop that basically only fixed bikes.

    I don't even make the $800.00 mark in the earlier post with multiple bicycles.
  8. Zodiac

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    I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but I find that really hard to believe...

    - you're telling me the avg bike (and I'm not talking department store fall apart after christmas bikes / children's huffy specials, etc) costs around 200$:huh?

    You can't even find a decent new entry level bike for under $500 to $800 (even listed in Bicycling magazine's buyer's guide) that I know of.

    Is there a bicycle shop (LBS) in your area, the kind that sell bikes a messenger, wknd roadie, or Mtn biker would ride?
  9. flip18436572

    flip18436572 Broke ex-YMCA employee

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    What I am saying is that 99% of the people that ride bicycles get them at a department store for less than $150 on a day to day basis. We live about an hour from a city that has bicycle shops and even though people go there quite often, very few if any even know what a bicycle shop is.

    The only one people even know about is the TREK store, and I won't go back there unless a family member needs something that I MUST get at that TREK store.

    I live in a town of about 6000 people and there are very few people that I even see on the streets and we don't have any trails or anyplace for mountain bikes.

    I know of a family that buys their kids new bikes at K-Mart about twice a year because the kids destroy them in about 6 months. He threw away about 10 bikes last year that were sitting in his back yard rusting away. He said he waits until they go on sale at K-Mart, or finds the same bike on-line and has it shipped to the house for less.

    Most of the people don't ride the bikes enough to care about what shifter will last and when they break, they don't have anyone to take them to anymore. So, they sit and rust away and then head to the local land fill.
  10. Cat0020

    Cat0020 El cheapo

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    Above description fits the majority of the population who own bicycles in the US, that population also account for over 80% of bicycle unit sales annually.
  11. Zodiac

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    really?

    http://www.swivel.com/graphs/show/22618286

    avg cost of road bicycle per unit is $806.78 in the US.

    Total AVG. for all bikes in US & CANADA is $335.47, but that includes "youth bikes which avg $128 (but that's training wheel bikes which we're not talking about.

    Unit sales counts kiddie bikes which of course are purchased more on average. Kids grow, the bikes are cheap shit that self destruct in 6 months anyway.

    I thought we were talking about the bikes WE ride? And we were talking about the cost of them, not how many units are sold annually.


    Here's a chart that stops 3 years ago =

    <TABLE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width="75%" bgColor=#ffff00 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>Category</TD><TD>2002 Retail $ (%)</TD><TD>2003 Retail $</TD><TD>2004 Retail $</TD><TD>2004 Avg. Price</TD></TR><TR><TD>Mountain Front Susp.</TD><TD>26.56</TD><TD>26.24</TD><TD>25.61</TD><TD>$391.31</TD></TR><TR><TD>Comfort</TD><TD>18.03</TD><TD>14.44</TD><TD>11.70</TD><TD>$332.23</TD></TR><TR><TD>Road/700C</TD><TD>16.40</TD><TD>20.79</TD><TD>28.32</TD><TD>$1,152.68</TD></TR><TR><TD>Hybrid/Cross</TD><TD>9.89</TD><TD>12.87</TD><TD>10.95</TD><TD>$386.48</TD></TR><TR><TD>Mountain Full Susp.</TD><TD>9.67</TD><TD>8.87</TD><TD>9.57</TD><TD>$1,319.97</TD></TR><TR><TD>Freestyle</TD><TD>5.56</TD><TD>4.42</TD><TD>3.78</TD><TD>$226.36</TD></TR><TR><TD>Mountain No Susp.</TD><TD>3.12</TD><TD>1.64</TD><TD>0.41</TD><TD>$220.21</TD></TR><TR><TD>Youth 20"</TD><TD>2.60</TD><TD>2.41</TD><TD>2.24</TD><TD>$171.04</TD></TR><TR><TD>Youth 24"</TD><TD>2.51</TD><TD>2.75</TD><TD>2.23</TD><TD>$242.78</TD></TR><TR><TD>BMX</TD><TD>1.98</TD><TD>1.38</TD><TD>0.97</TD><TD>$204.67</TD></TR><TR><TD>Youth 19" and below</TD><TD>1.76</TD><TD>1.72</TD><TD>1.36</TD><TD>$126.72</TD></TR><TR><TD>Cruiser</TD><TD>1.57</TD><TD>1.90</TD><TD>2.38</TD><TD>$270.22</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    http://nbda.com/page.cfm?PageID=34
  12. Zodiac

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    Respectfully, I don't even consider a $150 department store bike, a bike that a bicyclist, roadie, messenger, mountain biker, tourer, club rider, commuter would even consider. And that goes for the bicyclists on this thread or on Fried Quads or Bike Forums.
  13. Cat0020

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    Looks to me that your consideration is rather narrow for the rest of the bicycle riding population.

    The fact is that is majority of bicycles sold in the US are not sold to population that you consider to be cyclist, they are just people who consider bicycles as disposable items that are not worth fixing beyond $100.
    Maybe in affluent urban area near NYC where average income is well above the poverty line, you have more exposure to expensive bicycle purchase, that could be what you base your considerations.
  14. Zodiac

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    And we go back to your flat tire scenario:lol3

    (what was it, "most people can't afford tire patch kits, or was it, most people don't have access to tire patch kits..")



    Are those "consumers" on this thread, Bike Forums (BTW I've seen you there too) or Fried Quads....are they the one's who shop for bicycles in LBS's or on Bicycling Magazine's buyer's guide?

    To be perfectly frank, who cares about a 5 year olds Walmart training bike in this conversation about how much a decent road bike costs?

    You're a bicycle mechanic right, you work in an LBS, (or big one I dunno) why are we bringing disposable department store kiddie bikes into this picture anyway?
  15. Zodiac

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    Those links to actual avg prices per unit/ spread sheets - were taken from the whole of the US and Cananda, not urban areas only...

    sounds like you're the one thinking too narrowly here.

    Again, where in this conversation did it come up that we were talking about cyclist who consider them disposable items...?
  16. Cat0020

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    Average price is hardly representation of unit sales.

    I would say that 40% of the repair business in my LBS are related to department store bicycles, most of them flats, brake adjustment and wheel true follow. They actually generate good protion of profit for my LBS, certainly more than $2000 or above profit from bicycle sales.

    When life is on the line any bicycle is disposable, even the $5000 carbon fiber ones.
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    Go back to the first post where this comes up, between Flip and I.

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5721371&postcount=7610

    Where did we talk about unit's sold? We were talking about what the avg cost of a bike we would ride cost. Flip brought up department store bikes, which I completely understand, but the question was - what the avg cost of a bicycle we would ride is, not how certain units sell more than others...

    I found charts and links to the avg cost of each type of bike sold in the US & Canada.

    If you want to talk about kiddie disposable department store bikes which look good under a Christmas tree for about a week until they implode so be it.

    But it's comparing apples to oranges.

    Hell, lets throw those foldable edge scooters into the mix too.

    :lol3

    Shit I gotta move the car before get a ticket-
  18. Cat0020

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    Get it right, I worte that most people who ride a bicycle do not carry a patch kit with them while they are riding, including the ones that you do not consider as "cyclists".

    I bring up the disposable department store kiddie bikes into this picture because they actually produce a significant portion of profit when they are taken to LBS for repairs.. more so than the percentage of profit generated by bicycle sales over $2000. That's why the LBS should care about the department store bikes.
    LBS could charge $10, $15, $20 to change a flat for a 5 cent tube, in a few minutes. A $2000 bicycle sales usually don't have the profit margin of 25% and take at least 1/2 hour, if not more.. then the customers for the highend bikes always require more effort to sell the profitable items like computers, pump, patch kits.. all that could be purchase from the internet for less. Why would people buy them from LBS?
  19. flip18436572

    flip18436572 Broke ex-YMCA employee

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    flip18436572 Broke ex-YMCA employee

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    I wish I could get tubes for $.05!!!! :D :D :D

    And I was out riding Sunday and didn't have a spare tube or patch kit with me, because I was an ID 10 T!!!!

    The first tube already had a hole in it and the second one was good to go. The one that would have been with me, would have already had a hole in it taking it out of the box, so I would have been screwed anyway.

    What do you "pros" use for a quality patch kit?