Bicycles on the road

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by ThatOtherGuy, Oct 12, 2011.

  1. ttpete

    ttpete Rectum Non Bustibus

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    Things have really changed in cycling. When I was riding 25 years ago, nobody I knew had this level of arrogance, not even a co-worker who regularly rode centuries on Sunday mornings.

    This right here is why cyclists are having problems on the road today.
  2. Dranrab Luap

    Dranrab Luap E-Tarded Super Moderator

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    There are no shortage of militant asshole vehicular cyclists out there. When people mention, as you did, something that looks like douchy behavior, I like to enumerate the legitimate reasons that may explain their behavior.

    I would like to mention another reason cyclists might avoid shoulders. The shoulder may be generally good, but every half mile or so there may be glass, nails or other threats. It can be more dangerous to move in and out of the lane than just to stay in it. If I am on the shoulder and come up on a broken bottle, how should I reenter the right of way. Wait for it to clear? Move out into the lane other traffic be damned?

    In the scenario you described, had the shoulder been littered with debris, I may have been as far out into the lane as the outermost of the two riders riding side by side, in effect taking up as much space as they did. In areas with bad sight lines and narrow lanes, I assert the lane as mine to discourage someone from trying to pass too closely. I have found that if I try to hug the fog line people will pass me much more closely than they will if I move well out into the lane. Often dangerously close. I can understand why riders might ride side by side on narrow roadways with poor sight lines. It actually makes it easier for cagers to pass them than if they were riding a safe distance one behind the other while "taking the lane."

    It doesn't sound like the case where you were though. If you want to throw up a google satellite image of the area in question, I might be able to shed more informed light on the situation.
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    Dranrab Luap E-Tarded Super Moderator

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    I don't understand. Can you explain that for me?
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    What you see at 8mph is a lot different that what you see at 30mph. Trust me on this one.
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    kbasa Roubaix! Super Moderator

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    Inferiority complex? :dunno



    :lol3

    And yeah, us cyclists know there are tons of douchebag cyclists. Please don't take it out on us all. There are douchebag motorcyclists and we all hope that big dumb cagers don't take it out on us in that arena either.

    Same same, just different tribes picking on each other.
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    Dranrab Luap E-Tarded Super Moderator

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    That was a perfect explanation.
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    The problem isn't just the cyclists. It's people who have a me first, get the F out of my way attitude. And I admit, I'm guilty sometimes. And your friend must have ridden fast centuries!:lol3
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    :lol3 OK, that is funny! Kind of what the general public see the cyclist is like, false as it may be.

    Jim :brow
  10. Homey

    Homey Been here awhile

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    During the Race Across America that just concluded last week, a home owner who didn't like cyclists on "his" road decided to take matters into his own hands and started shooting at them. Yeah, with a real rifle. Luckily last I heard he is still in jail and he didn't actually hit anyone. Hope he stays there for a long time.


    The real issue in this thread is the lumping of people into groups that they may or may not fit. You ride a bicycle or a motorcycle or drive a cage and you are lumped into a group. Once you are lumped into a group you are suddenly accused of the same transgressions as the most egregious offenders of that group. Ride a Harley, you're a Hells Angel, ride a sport bike, you're a squid... I ride a $10k road bike 10-15k miles a year, wear tight fitting cycling clothes and shave my legs (and am not gay). I wave and am pleasant with passing motorists and in the last 20 years have had a whopping three run-ins with people in cars. To be honest I take offense to be lumped into the category that many people want to lump me in but I understand that the reason they do it. They do it because they're lazy and don't want to take the time to evaluate every situation on it's own merits. That's unfortunate and I really don't see that changing. Ignorance and laziness are just things we all have to live with...
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    Welcome to the internet, where moderate thinking is strictly prohibited! You are either with us or against us, there is no middle ground!:deal:lol3

    Jim :brow
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    kbasa Roubaix! Super Moderator

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    Well put, sir.
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    Great post Homey. This tendancy towards polarization is rampant throughout society, and I'm sure there's lots of books on the topic. Each side blames the other.
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    While this fuckstain took his distatste for cyclists to the extreme, it's sub-humans like this that shape the attitudes and behavior of cyclists. There are no shortage of people and motorists who have an unhealthy level of contempt for cyclists. It takes but one to represent a serious threat to a cyclist's safety. That's why cyclists become militant and obstinate. Remember that next time you start passing judgment on a cyclist. It is likely that he has had several motorists purposefully jeopardize his safety. All because they didn't like his lycra shorts, or his team jersey, or the fact that they had to move an extra 3 feet to the left to pass, or some other equally fucking childish reason.
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    BUT, the attitude can be controlled from both sides. Even if all non cyclists instantly started being good, that wouldn't suddenly fix the cyclist's attitudes. In other words, it is a self perpetuating cycle of poor manners and loathing on both sides.

    But, as said, each side tends to lay total blame for their hate on the other, so no middle ground is achievable.

    Jim :brow
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    Try riding a recumbent.

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    NNNNEEEERRRRRRDDDDDD!!!!!!!!

    :bow for your mad randonneuring skillz, though :bow
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    Are those really even bicycles? :freaky

    I think one of the issues with cyclists is that there isn't a solid education program anywhere to get everyone up to speed about how to ride on the road. The casual cyclist, the guy that buys a $300 bike at his local sporting goods store, is going to use the same knowledge set he had when he was 11 years old. I see those guys all the time, riding the wrong way in the bike lane, riding on the sidewalk, riding the wrong way up a one way street, riding in the middle of the road or riding side by side on a busy-ish street.

    That's really the challenge, isn't it? Education not only of the car driving population, but also the bicycle riding population, particularly the casual cyclist.

    Think about motorcyclists you see that ride like morons. We have the same problem in the bicycle community and, as a result, we have folks like Geolander that are happy to give us a brush pass or wish us harm. Until we, as a community, get our act together, we'll continue to have to deal with hostile car drivers.

    Same for motorcyclists with loud pipes. Until we figure that out, they will be the people on motorcycles that the public remembers - the annoying people.
  19. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    Since we've come back around to discussing things rather than some yahoo expounding on his bromance with Kbasa in his tight, black shorts....

    I'm with Luap: MY actions while riding are a learned response. I do X I get treated Y.

    I do A and I have B happen. That B may not be to my best interest health and longevity -wise.

    So I do X again and Y happens again. Hmmm that's better than B. We'll keep doing that!

    I can't tell whether the person coming up behind me is a 'spandex- clad [sexual preference slur deleted] hater' or a polite, mild-mannered person till they're past. I've had my fair share of the both, but the former cause me to ride a certain way pretty much all the time.

    I'd say 95% or better of the population is pretty polite overall. Its that last 5% (more like 10-15% here in the DC area) that cause the problems. You see em in traffic too. They're the ones that wait till 50' before their exit then jam in whether there's space or not. The ones that will cut you off to get a car length ahead. etc

    In traffic, there's essentially no recourse against the behavior that doesn't cause physical damage so they keep doing it. (and if their driving is any indication, they don't see that they're doing anything wrong! :norton) They do the same thing(s) to cyclists and we cyclists have even less recourse.

    So, while YOU may be a mild-mannered person behind the wheel, your fellow road-users aren't quite as nice to us cyclists.

    Think about some of the stuff being bandied about here: shove em off the road, etc. Would YOU like someone in a car to shove you off the road on your MC? Doubt it.
    Would YOU like someone in a car to buzz a foot off your elbow doing 3x your speed? Doubt it (go read 'the perfect line if you don't think this didn't happen!)
    Would YOU like someone to romp on their pedal and spew smoke at you? Doubt it

    So what makes you think that any cyclist out there would like that? :ear

    M
  20. icebox

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    that's 1858 posts on a thread I was amazed at when it passed a 100. Have ridden road bikes, bicycles, for almost 40 years and still learned a few things, mostly about how mean some folks are. The one thing that did suprise me is that there are about ten inmates I woudn't ride with on anything, two wheels or four. They really hate anyone on a bicycle, and are a anger mangament slip away from jail. If they don't ligten up they will die bitter old fools, perhaps in jail. Right now just fools.