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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by ThatOtherGuy, Oct 12, 2011.
Speaking of ignorant mouth breathers...
This one kinda stood out...kinda reminded me of something
Note to self: next time you go for a stroll down the canal take a baseball bat to smack the stupid cyclists who keep dinging their bells @ u
I have a bike setup for bike paths. It has a bell on it and I ring it now and again when people need a heads up. I gave it a go one day last year at a group for some reason or another. Some tantrum of a woman snapped around, aimed her index finger at me and screamed at the top of her lungs I HEARD THE GODDAMN BELL!
Just a very sad story. An apparently inattentive driver and suddenly there are seven people in the hospital all but one are kids...
Arkansas's cyclist/vehicle accident statistics just went up in one fell swoop.
In 2011 a Colorado cyclisttravelling through Arkansas was killed.
The LAB will surely award another Arkansas town as bicycle friendly; soon.
They should present ghost bikes as awards.
Finally! Someone 'gets it.' A group (8+ bicyclists) IS actually safer in a clump despite all the 'those cyclists are assholes 'cause they're blocking traffic' types.
You do realize you are training them to do the opposite of what you want? That just paints you as an obstacle they have to avoid and leads to the actions you don't like. Thus both sides feed into the cycle.
Rather, I think they need to be one that is of sharing the road, not an obstacle. One where drivers know that they will get by and soon. This would promote the passing you want to happen.
I don't understand how bicyclists can tolerate the risks of riding on the street. Sharing the road with a bunch of inattentive morons is bad enough on a motorcycle, a device which in most cases can keep up with the flow of inattentive morons. Being on a vehicle that can't keep up with traffic (and therefore being at the mercy of said traffic to avoid you) doesn't seem terribly wise.
My town is full of (an inordinate amount) of people that ride their bicycles and insist on taking center lane on the mountain roads, be it cars, mc's or trucks behind them. I have actually had to pass them on a double yellow while in my cage --- and they get extremely angry at this.
Get a motorcycle, ease your rage...
Someone held a gun to your head and said "Pass or I'll paint the dashboard grey and red"?
It has it's plusses and minuses.
As long as you can manage to stay out of the way of the inattentive morons for a few seconds, then you're good. They run by you and are gone (at least until the next one comes along ).
OTH, if you have a motor, then you are moving along with them, and you may be dealing with that inattentive moron for miles.
Which is better?
Nothing is going to change until traffic enforcement is changed from revenue generation to safety enforcement.
All sides have their assholes, bicyclists , car, motorcycles. But in terms of numbers I have met on the road, I have more bad encounters with bicycles.
I commute everyday about 37 miles one way to work on my motorcycle, and can say I probably meet 1 car a day that acts like and ass, but I'm riding on the roads with hundreds of cars. I would have to say the half or more of all bicyclists I met on the road act like an ass.
677 people were killed riding bicycles in 2011.
4612 people were killed riding morotcycles in 2011.
What's the perceived danger vs real danger?
Ringing your bell is like someone honking their horn in a car. Just be patient and wait for the path to be wide enough to overtake. A few minutes getting to your destination will be no big deal.
So, what is "acting like an ass" on the part of these cyclists in your estimation?
Blowing stop signs?
Going through intersections against traffic lights?
Riding three and more abreast?
Just being in the roadway when you think they shouldn't be?
All the above?
There are valid reasons for at least some of these actions which have been commented on profusely in the thread.
For the invalid reasons, I have no problem at all with cops citing cyclists when it's justified. It could well reduce some of the "asshole" behavior, since infractions ticketed while riding a bicycle do count on your driving license record.
Aside from all that, there are what, maybe 10 times more cars than bicycles on the road? The factor is probably bigger than that, so the asshole per vehicle ratio may not be all that different. Maybe it's just that they're more visible on bikes.
I pick all of the above, most of the bicyclist in the Greensboro area don't seem to think traffic laws apply to them.
I have no problem with sharing the road with them, until they start the militant actions. In NC a fast vehicle as the right to pass a bicyclist.
A bicyclist cannot take actions to prevent another
vehicle from lawfully passing. For example, the vehicle
being passed must give way to the right when given an
audible signal, and may not increase their speed until
they are completely passed. [§20-149]
No, rules around here state that you're supposed to announce that you're approaching. Bells are even suggested on some of the official rule signage. It's kinda like yelling 'on your left'. However, I've found that yelling anything can be misinterpreted. Furthermore, on the same short list of rules, it states that users should stay to the right half of the path in the direction they're going unless passing. Since most folks rarely observe ANY of the rules, I give 'em a little ding to let 'em know I'm coming.
common sense tells me two things.
1. miles per fatality is going to be much higher for motorcycles
2. most motorcycle fatality s are single vehicle( i.e. riders fault) while most bicycle fatality's are auto/bike collision (may still be riders fault, but two vehicles are involved.
if you think commuting on a bicycle is safer than on a motorcycle you just aren't thinking
That is pretty much the rule here for multi-use paths. Use a bell to announce your intent to pass. The walker/runner/slow rider is obligated to make a reasonable effort to not hinder the faster person's pass. That said, the faster person is also obligated to pass safely. This means not crowding the slower person and not moving into the path of someone coming the other way.
Irrational drivers are nothing more than bullies. Bullies don't like it when people stand up to them. How many here like bullies?