Bicycles on the road

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by ThatOtherGuy, Oct 12, 2011.

  1. the_sandman_454

    the_sandman_454 Been here awhile

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    Moving along with the morons is by far safer than having a huge disparity of speed between vehicles. The inatentive morons are much less likely to run into you from behind if you're traveling the same speed they are. If the inattentive morons are traveling much faster than you are, there's less time for inattentive morons and you to react to eachother, thereby increasing the likelihood of problems.

    I suspect many of the motorcycle fatalities were self inflicted, whereas the majority of bicycle fatalities were likely the result of the bicyclist striking or being struck by traffic. The statistics aren't broken down correctly for motorcycles to be able to make a determination (ie weeding out the single vehicle/self inflicted deaths) though.
  2. windmill

    windmill Long timer

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    Here in washinhton state, some may make excuses for doing it, but there are no"valid reasons".

    A bicycle is a vehicle, and all vehicles are required to obey all applicable laws.
  3. Dranrab Luap

    Dranrab Luap E-Tarded Super Moderator

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    I am telling you right now that you don't want bicyclists obeying all the laws. I can give countless examples of how I have broken the law for the sole purpose of improving the overall flow of traffic. I don't care whether anyone else thinks it's valid or not.
  4. farmerstu

    farmerstu Been here awhile

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    oh no you don't.
    I'LL DECIDE WHATS RIGHT FOR EVERBODY!!
  5. filmfan

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    There are valid reasons for SOME of the actions in the list.
    Agreed, blowing stop signs, even CA stops is illegal (no one here does that right???!!!)
    Same with stop lights.

    However, as for the traffic lane, all vehicles including bicycles are entitled to their space in the traffic lane. Bikes must stay to the right, as far as what is safe. But, as you pointed out, who is responsible for determining that? If it isn't safe hugging the fog line, it's legal for the bicycle to be elsewhere in the lane.
    Impeding traffic, for most states is 5 + or - vehicles following. I've never seen that happen. I'm sure they exist, but no cyclists I've ever ridden with would allow that to happen. I certainly would not.:eek1
  6. filmfan

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    Yeah, but...

    All the riders here, moto, bicycle or otherwise do that 100% of the time with 100% of the laws, right?:deal
    :ear

    If some folks pick and choose which laws to obey, are they then A**holes?
  7. Foot dragger

    Foot dragger singletracker

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    Its a funny thing,this holier then thou thing saying bicyclists dont follow the rules of the road to your specs.

    When Im out on my bike I can watch every little thing cars are doing quite easily.

    High % of cars dont stop at stop signs,either blowing through on the gas or barely slowing while they sip their latte.

    Small % of cars go the speed limit,most are in a hurry gotta go now.

    Signal for turns? If the mood is right maybe.

    U turns no matter what the signs say? I see it all the time.

    Tailgating as a way of life? Every time I drive somewhere especially on a hiway somebody will come flying up behind to latch onto the rear bumper,I let em by and they latch on the next bumper in line.
    They're in a hurry.
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    The difference is a bicycle is only making himself a victim blowing stop signs while a car is a certified weapon and can smash many things in it's path, while the operator sits in quad air bagged and strapped in safety.
  8. Foot dragger

    Foot dragger singletracker

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    You get right out there with your little ticket book and show em!
  9. windmill

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    Yeah, everybody transgresses, but it still doesn't make it a "valid reason".

    As to if it makes someone an "asshole", that all depends on how it effects others.

    Remember,
    everybody slower than me is a jerk, and everybody faster is an idiot....:wink:
  10. Dranrab Luap

    Dranrab Luap E-Tarded Super Moderator

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    If sidewalk bicycling and avoidance of a traffic control device are illegal in my area and I cut across a parking lot and use the sidewalk for a short stretch to let traffic behind me vent, is that a valid reason? If I did this I would do it with caution and yield to any pedestrians.

    Here's the scenario. A busy 4 lane road divided by a canal. The lanes are not wide enough to accommodate a bike and a car. I approach it from a side street. The street I want to be on is directly across the canal. My options are to catch a break in traffic and ride against traffic for about 100 feet on my side, cut across and go against traffic on the other side, then hit my desired street. The way traffic lights are timed, I can do this easily without interfering with vehicular traffic. My other option is to obey all the laws and in doing so I will have to ride in the lane for about a half mile out, u turn and ride a half mile back to get to the other side where the street I want to take is. If I do this I WILL piss motorists off and I will place myself in greater danger.

    What should I do?
  11. dolomoto

    dolomoto Destroyer of Motorcycles

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    Today, we had a group of about 16 in a double paceline. 4 Lane highway with middle turn lane (either direction). Bunched up, we took up the space of two pickup trucks vs. being strung out for 4-6 pickup truck lengths.

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  12. windmill

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    Use common sense?


    We could play "what if" till the end of time and accomplish nothing. There are times and places where most actions are reasonable. The issue isn't about when a choice is reasonable, its when someone feels justified to transgress as a habit because..............
    "Reasonable" is when it has no negative impact on others, excuses and justifications are for when something has negitive impact on others and we choose to do it anyway, the only "valid reason" is when its to avoid causing harm or to avoid being harmed

    Lets be honest honest with ourselves, when we choose to transgress its to meet our own desires, not for the benefit of mankind.

    IMO, the real issue is too many folks have decided they are above the law or make up their own, creating unnecessary conflict which perpetuates yet more bad behavior..
  13. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    You spandex clad [sexual preference slur deleted]s need to get into single effing file so the rest of us that are DRIVING on this road can get past you slow-moving SOBs!

    :mrskbasa

    Geez! Don't y'all know that I PAY for this here road?! Where's YOUR license?!

    Y'all would probably be even less of a problem going 3 wide x 5 long, but that's another group ride.

    (looks like y'all had a great time! :ricky)

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  14. NYHatterasTrail

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    I didn't mean to say I pass bicycles aggressively, even though there are times I am a bit annoyed when they take the full lane on a mountain road. My feelings are that if they are impeding traffic by their actions, then they should not do it ... it's dangerous for all involved. Take the full lane and move over single file to the right side of the lane. I don't feel this is unreasonable
  15. windmill

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    IMO, Considering the road, and traffic conditions in this particular instance, anybody complaining about these cyclists is a total twat.
  16. Warin

    Warin Retired

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    Umm is is not dangerous until someone else (not the cyclist/s) brakes the law and endangers all. Cyclist usually only endanger themselves, not others.

    If the cyclist/s is doing something illegal - report it. Taking the law into your own hands leads to trouble, don't do it. Easier to say than do, but there you go.
  17. Vertical C

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    Honestly this type of crap is what is annoying it is so much easier to overtake one bike than multiple bikes as you can just jump between if there is a gap between. If cars tailgated each other like that they would get booked.
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    As a fellow trackie, you know there's room for three wide in that group!
  19. dolomoto

    dolomoto Destroyer of Motorcycles

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    And there is the fault in your argument. There would be no gap (that's the whole point of a paceline).

    There was light traffic and other vehicles moved easily past in the wide open left lane.
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