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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by ThatOtherGuy, Oct 12, 2011.
Somebody's corn flakes got pissed in!
Obviously not said well enough though since Schnickelfritz implied I must be a "coward" when in fact....
I'M AN ASSHOLE!
..and judging from the tone, I don't think he was eating corn flakes; I think it was something with a MUCH higher fiber content.
Maybe someone peed in his Corn Flakes?
Now, now. What's a MC forum without road rage threads? The interplay of reason vs. entitlement and general hostility is always interesting. And the off season is just beginning!
I'm cracking up at all the "lycra/spandex" comments. Yeah, mebbe some people need to come out of the closet and just start being themselves. Life is so much better. But there are two other little points in here. Some of those lycra clad derrieres do indeed belong to whichever gender you prefer to admire and there is nothing like matching speed and riding 30 feet behind a couple for a mile or so until they catch on you're (note spelling there please!) enjoying the scenery.
The other thing is some good 9 panel lycra cycling shorts with a synthetic chamois crotch are ideal motorcycle wear for long days in the saddle. I wear a pair of mine, with or without cycling tights under my leathers. Good support and no seams in the wrong places. A bit of padding, absorbent and non-chafing.And the unlined parts of my leathers slide nicely over the lycra making dressing easy, even if it's hot out.
After this Saturdays ride something else occurred to me. My old California riding style crept out here and there and I realized I'm perfectly comfortable passing a semi without going out of my lane (on either side). But unless you have that experience (and only in Ca. AFAIK) people just aren't used to riding that close to anything at speed. Where I see 2 bicyclist riding dead abreast here is is often two women and they are chatting. If they seem to be in good shape and I feel like bird watching I go with plan A (above). If I am doing warp 9 I either cross to the oncoming lane or cut speed to 45 (so I don't buffet them) and pass in lane. If there are 4 or 5 dead abreast (very rare) and the oncoming lane is blocked, well, that's kinda rude for someone not to open a hole to pass. I give 'em half a min and perhaps a headlight flash, then interrupt the conversation with the air horn. No need to threaten or endanger anyone. But if you wanna be rude and obnoxious lemme show you how it's done.
The same horn is effective on cattle in open range areas. Not only don't they pay taxes but they <u>just stand there</u>, partially or completely blocking the lane and going no where at all. And they're bigger than me. Asshats!.
A row of cyclists riding in a peloton is tricky. Usually they are moving along pretty well, they are also drafting and riding very tightly, one behind the other and overlapping about a half wheel or so. These guys (and the occasional women) are very good. They track dead strait and concentrate well. They're out there doing their thing just like I am. I should begrudge them some of the road? They're not yakking or being little self styled politico commandos (ie, using the road like a coffee shop or political rally). They're serious, they're moving and they're handling their machines far better than the average motorcyclist. Depending on how many are in the pack they can easily take up half a lane with the lead left or right depending on the wind. But they also do lead changes. The front person will peel off to the left and coast, falling in at the rear while the second person pours on power and cuts the wind. I always give a group like this plenty of room. I never know when the lead is going to cut left, how well they are going to check for oncoming first (they're tired, thus the change), etc.
Quickly and safely. If I can give them 5 feet and stay in my lane, that's what I'll do. Having a vehicle trail me while I'm riding is irritating.
How about we tax you based on how much space you take up, since driving in the car lane is the problem? No one has complained how much you press down on the road.
Why can't joggers use a busy city road? How about a skateboard?
I try and ride my bicycle more than I drive my S-Class... Don't always work tho.
edited to add: why the hostility towards bicyclists and not say tractors or other farm implements? I see lines of cars 20 long behind tractors (that I've passed on my bicycle before!) just sitting there. Put a bicycle taking up 3' of room in the same situation, people get all pissy and HAVE TO PASS RIGHT EFFING NOW! Its
Where to Ride
Bicyclists must ride with the flow of traffic on the right side of the highway.
Bicyclists operating a bicycle on a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place under conditions then existing shall ride as close as safely practicable to the right curb or edge of roadway. Exceptions to this are when bicyclists are overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, preparing for a left turn, avoiding unsafe conditions, avoiding riding in a lane that turns or diverges to the right, riding on a one way street where bicyclists may ride as near the left-hand curb or edge of roadway, or when the lane width is too narrow to share with a motor vehicle. Additionally, bicycles are not excluded from riding on the highway shoulder.
Bicyclists must not ride between two lanes of traffic moving in the same direction unless one lane is a separate or mandatory turn lane.
Bicyclists cannot ride more than two or more abreast on highways. When riding two abreast, bicyclists cannot impede the movement of traffic, need to move into single file when being overtaken from the rear. On a laned roadway, bicyclists shall ride in a single lane.
Bicyclists are not permitted to ride on interstate and certain controlled access highways, unless the operation is limited to bicycle or pedestrian facilities that are barrier separated from the roadway and automobile traffic. The restricted sections of the highways are marked with conspicuous signs.
Bicycles may be ridden on sidewalks unless prohibited by local ordinance or traffic control devices. While on sidewalks and shared use paths, bicyclists must always yield the right of way to pedestrians and give an audible signal before passing a pedestrian.
Bicyclists pulling onto a sidewalk or highway from a driveway must yield the right of way to pedestrians or vehicles already on the sidewalk or highway.
There ya go. We're allowed to ride 2-abreast here in VA if we're not impeding traffic.
Having said that, get more'n about 20 of your friends together and its actually safer to take 30m of the whole the lane than take up 100m of 2x2. Makes it easier to pass...
Note that the first bolded section sez 'practicable' not 'possible.' If there's shit on the road I'm riding 6" to the left of that. Hint to drivers: I can see the shit in the road whether you can or can't. Its there and I'm NOT going to ruin $200 worth of tires, $10 worth of tubes and $1200-2000 (or more!) worth of wheels to ride in said shit on the side of the road.
So,let me get this straight, it makes more sense to risk possibly getting yourself run over OR causing a car or motorcycle to hit someone else, by suddenly altering your course to avoid getting a flat/flats?
Oh wait, you mean you're just not going to be riding in that part of the road where the debris collects, thereby making a dangerous situation for anyone attempting to get by you?
Yup. Where there's no bike lane or shoulder, I end up in the right tire tracks (or just to the right of em) more often than not.
Now mind you, I live and ride out in the sticks. I may see 3-4 cars on my rides. In fact, I'm going to go get dressed and 'be in the way' for about the next hour or so. I may see a car or two.
Now I'll ask you how I'M making a dangerous situation. All it takes is not trying to pass a cyclist into oncoming traffic, or over the crest of a hill, or around a blind corner... You know, let up on the go pedal (or throttle) long enough to make sure there's nothing coming **that could kill ALL of us** to go round in a safe, prudent manner.
What's so hard about that concept?
I both ride and drive professionally and socially. I have, in the past, driven vans, tractors, trailers and small lorries professionally. I am frequently a pedestrian in urban areas. I cycle, both for recreation and to commute. I am a hillwalker, often on tracks where motorbikes come through. Consequently, I like to think I have a pretty well-rounded perception of what goes on on the roads and what is "fair". I also don't harbour any inherent hatred for any one group. After all, in part, I myself make up all these groups.
All groups of road users, have at one time or another, hacked me off: Even those who should know better, such as advanced riding groups or police (in terms of how they were driving, not in terms of "policing").
Because farming is a necessary and critical vocation, cycling is recreation or transportation by choice.
I assume you just plough right over whatever lies in your path while riding your moto? Regardless of whether it poses a risk to your machine? I admit to assuming you ride one, this being a motorcycling forum.
...and how specifically does that make a difference?
I bikes didn't impede trafic, this thread wouldn't exist.
Nope! I own the 6 bikes in my sig just to make up for my amazingly small penis.
Wait, I thought you were a girl?
You guys wouldn't do very well in Amish country.
Its not working. Keep at it!