Big new tvs... LED, Plasma etc WTF?

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  1. Sniper X

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    I can make that happen for less than the price on the link. Now on to your old unit. That was a rear projection unit. Using a single "gun" projector based on LCD projectors of the day. Usually called a DLP Tele, they were either fair or great when viewed from sitting directly in front of them. BUT when one sat even 10d off on a X or Y axis, they fell off quick. They just can't match the brightness and clarity of a LCD monitor these days but were pretty good when they were new.
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    So as not to do an entire NEW thread, a little about projectors if anyone is interested.
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    Sure, project away. I was considering that route but am concerned about bulbs and picture quality in natural light conditions.
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    lumens isn't everything, but is one of THE things depending on your light situation. I would NEVER use a projector to solely watch TV on. They are made for home theater and special TV events. The reason is the lamps are expensive and so bright, they just don't last more then about 3000 hrs. And of course the brightness.....you would need a 7000l or more projector to look good at all in a place with average light.

    There are basically four resolutions
    XGA, which is for power point presentations only.
    WXGA for power point and lite HD video it is 1280X768 so not quite 720P which is 1366X720.
    WUXGA whic is 1920X1200 and includes all the lower resolutions like 720P and 1080P.
    And FULL HD or 1080P which is 1920X1080.

    Now, almost all home theater projectors that are full HD are not too bright, usually below 3000 ansi lumens, so they NEED to be used in totally controlled light with no sunlight coming thru windows.

    WUXGA projectors start at about 5000l for a entry level one, and go to 12K or so. BUT these are expensive to own and replace the lamps in.

    At this point there are NO home theater 1080P native projectors that are the new LED or laser lit technology, but that may come soon. If they do at first they will be no brighter than the home theater projectors available now, but they will have a very long life with no lamp replacement.

    You also need a quality screen or screen paint to view HD correctly in the home. Either a grey surface, or a paint called Goo is best for home theater. Goo must be applied exactly per the instructions or it'll look like you painted a fence and are watching video on it.

    DLP projectors are best for video, and LCD are best for data so tailor your projector to your needs. Of course, data looks better on a DLP than video does on a LCD so there is a little trade off.

    Also, watch out for lumen rating, all companies except Panasonic, and JVC rate their projectors with 100% white projected at the device they measure with, Panasonic and JVC both do it with 100% white projected on a 1.5 gain factor screen from 10ft away. And take the reflected reading off the screen so they are far brighter lumen for lumen than anythig else.
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    My old Sony 60" rear projection had a beautiful picture when it worked, but would blow through optical blocks like crazy. Those were like $1500 a shot and I think we went through 4 (luckily for some reason I bought the 5 year extended service plan). Once the warrantee was up and the screen got unbearably green again, I went with the cheap vizio. I think Sony called it sxrd or lcos or something like that, complete shit.
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    the Sony was the worst offender in the market on problems with their DLP TVs. Many lasted as long as people could stand them and then got something new when LCD TV came out. Most opted out of DLP TV solely for the slimness of the newer technology. Because the first gen LCD looked so shitty, the DLP even kicked it's ass at quality of picture. As long as it WASN'T a Sony DLP.
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    On a budget?

    Try to find a used TV from a couple years ago. LED and DLP have the best picture but LED will probably have the longest lifespan.

    The reason I say that is the new TVs aren't much better in terms of picture quality and they are getting much more expensive due to them having all kinds of features, such as 3D the internet, voice activated controls, motion activation etc. etc. All kinds of crazy shit that you just don't need.

    I upgraded to a 46" Sharp LCD in 2009 from a 10 year old $99 20" Daewoo and the Sharp has been more than good enough for me. I paid $600 at the Base Exchage and it looks like you can get one for <$400 @ Sam's

    My buddy who does a lot of researching before buying anything just put a 60" Sony Bravia in his house and the picture is awesome, but it's totally over kill IMO
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    Yeah I wanted to ditch mine, I guess I was little reluctant to after spending $4500 on the piece of shit.
    Had great reviews on CNET, fucking CNET
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    My previous was a Sony rear projection. After about 5 years the picture turned yellow. Optical block, like yours. Not worth fixing.

    Sony used to stand for quality television sets. I have two old Sony CRT televisions that are 20-30 years old and still work.

    I'm never buying a Sony TV again. And I'll think long and hard about buying any Sony electronic device. I think their previously peerless quality has fallen off the edge of a cliff and since consumer electronics are a money loser for them, I doubt very much that they have the commitment to fix it.
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    Sniper, thanks for your continued input, I have read your ADV stuff for years. we lived off grid in Show low, almost road over to see if I could find you one day. Yes we did in fact have a DLP rear projection as it took less power at the time for a 60" TV. At the time we thought it was fantastic. This 70" Sharp we now have is even better. when the time comes I'll get in touch with you, I think something along the lines of a 80"....would work great on the wall in the picture...:D
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    An 80in will look both impressive on the wall when on and off. I did an install and had an idea for the time off from it's normal digital signage deal. I came up with the idea to download the great paintings of the world and do them as a slide show on it when nothing else was going on. I did this because I feel a display with it off just doesn't look cool and people think it is broken. They took my idea, and that got more play and comments than ANY of the digital signage. And many clients took my idea for ther parties and such for their large displays at home.
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    I had that same idea... but with seasonal options, like a fireplace in the winter and a fish tank in the summer. Maybe a beach sceen or a series. Lots of ways to play off that. Making them a loop would be good and with the new smart tvs it should be fairly simple.
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    Sniper, I've often thought along those same lines. always wanted to play a mixing/swirling of ever changing vivid colors.

    Perhaps someone could come up with a collection of various DVD's each with a different theme.
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    I have been doing those seasonal ones for years. I love to do creative things with thesews displays since they lend themselves to it well. Also try things like dogs or cats if you like animals, and also things like fish tanks and such. There are sources for it or you can go to a buddies house who has a nice tank and do a 15minute video and loop it in some easy to use video editing program and have fun with these things. Rain storms and such are great too.
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    Most smart TVs have either an SD card slot, and or a USB port so this opens up a vast world of creativity with digital content. I suggest the content be MPeg4 but look at the supported video files for the ports on your display. I think I will do a card with paintings from the greats first just to see what they look like on the plasma.
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    LED TV is far superior to DLP in picture quality in every way, If you saw them side by side you would go YUK when the DLP was on. Especially off aixs and in brightness. A current LED is about five times as bright as a DLP and DLp has about a 15degree viewing axis where a good LED is about 100 degree horizontal.
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    just something i'd add on the smart panasonics..[mine anyway]

    it recognizes my usb dongled wireless keyboard just fine- thats nice for any required data input. but it will only recognize the panasonic $125 camera
    if you want to use the Skype feature that is preloaded. a cheaper logitech camera won't work.
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    You don't appreciate a deep black until you have it. This plasma makes graphics which are set on a black background really pop.

    Makes up for my middle-grey whites. I tried ice hockey last night. The ice is grey. It's just too much white filling the screen for the TV to enjoy, so like a stills camera on auto, it turns the white to middle grey. I have no idea how to change that. Everything else looks fantastic, I'm very pleased.

    Except for the audio. I'm still trying to find a cheap solution for external speakers. The sound is tinyy and worse, I have a hard time making out dialogue.
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    Sound is going to suck on all flat panels. They have no volume for the air needed to make anything but upper mid range and treble. Get a set of powered speakers that have a optical in or a sound bar and it works great.
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    Either something is set wrong or you might have a bad set. My plasma makes white BRIGHT white.