Bike while waiting for T7

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by Jan Vittrup, Nov 10, 2017.

  1. Jan Vittrup

    Jan Vittrup n00b

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    Hey lads,

    So I'm a newbie, got my license some years ago, but not yet bought a bike.

    My ultimate goal is to travel far on the bike. Central Asia, Afrika etc. But first I need to get experience the next years, exploring Europe from Denmark. I imagine week long trips to Norway, Alps, Romania etc. So classic highway travel for some days until I get to smaller, sometimes possibly poor roads.

    I live in Denmark, so bikes are insanely taxed, and I cannot just buy what ever takes my fancy. My dream bike is right now something like the t7 or f800gs, but one is not on market, the other too expensive. And both maybe not ideal for the 80% highway travel I will be doing while I get experience. I am 6"5, so I prefer a proper high position and distance to foot pegs.

    So, for these euro trips, I wonder should I go for something like the 2013 dl650 (cheap, good for highway, boring) or 2013 xt660z (cheapish, ok for highway, lovely)?

    As a beginner I want to buy as much safety as reasonable, so I believe abs is a must. Compared to the non-abs, the XT abs gets some nasty comments about battery placement, suspension travel etc in these forums.

    But if I will buy into the t7 when going outside europe (to harsher roads) anyway, will that matter?
    And will the two cylinder yamaha t7 be more mechanically similar to the two cylinder dl650, or the yamaha xt660z?

    Aaahh the joy of anticipation and speculation :lol3 Any words of advice from you adv gods?
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  2. The_Precious_Juice

    The_Precious_Juice 2013 DR650

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    Hello,

    Welcome to ADVrider.

    I recommend getting two bikes.

    I a cheap dirt bike to learn some skills on, and then a 85% tarmac bike to go do some reconnaissance with and make some contacts with. A DL650 is a good bike. If you have Scandinavian genes inside you, you should be about 5-11" or so. If you have some strong legs, the DL, might acctually turn out to be the right bike for you!

    The Yamaha will be still expensive when she comes out a year from now. Most likely $10,000 USA.
    The naked bike is just a tick over $7,000 now.

    You will have to muscle the 700 around and learn how to clutch modulate, power slide and get the back in lose, so getting the used dirt bike to learn on would be important.

    The Yamaha will be more similar to the 660 in the dirt, but more similar to the DL on the highway. Best of both worlds!

    A great safety feature are baseball shin and knee pads. Great insurance, and they keep the cool air off your legs in the winter and heat from the engine from your legs in the summer. Not uncomfortable at all!

    Have a good'n.
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  3. twinrider

    twinrider pass the catnip

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    How much chance do you have to ride unpaved roads now? If quite a bit, go for the Yamaha. If not so much, you might enjoy the more tarmac touring bias of the Suzuki better.

    If you want to learn offroad skills, pick up a used 250 dirt bike and start riding as much dirt as possible, taking lessons if available.
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  4. Tharaphita

    Tharaphita Been here awhile

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    I had xt660r, what is like 30kg lighter variant of yamaha xt660z and even that combo was not enough power for long distance riding. Specially in europe. DL is better choice imho if you wanna see the Europe. Forget highway on that 35kw overweight thumper. It has nasty vibes over 90km/h. =) Good luck and good adventure
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  5. GrahamD

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  6. Samtech79

    Samtech79 Two wheeled lunatic

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    The smallest road goer possible. A CRF250L or WR250R. Low power and tough is what you should cut your teeth on.
    The new Yamaha and the F800 are big, expensive and heavy. Dumping big bikes in the rough can lead to some heart aches, or worse.
    Small, light'ish bikes can teach you some very valuable lessons and help get your muscle memory developed so that the learning curve with the beast is more shallow and you will be more successful.
    Good luck.
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  7. rideforzen

    rideforzen Been here awhile

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    I didn't even know these existed. The 660 xtz around 450 lbs . The reveiws don't look good though.

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  8. deguoren

    deguoren 该出手时就出手

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    Get a used 800 GS from 2010 or younger. Dont know about second hand prices in Denmark. Here in Germany I bought one with 30.000 km for about 6500 Euro. Before I had a 2009 which I bought second hand as well and rode until the engine gave up at 94.000 km. I learned offroad rinding on the 800 GS and I did lots of full speed commuting and thats what killed my engine, but it served me well and I didnt treat it nicely....

    A used bike is better value, you wont get a heart attack if you break something, lot of used second hand parts available, with the new 850 introduced prices should become more reasonable.
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  9. hookeniggy

    hookeniggy Good at getting lost

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    Welcome here, if you live in Denmark, maybe think about getting your hands on a used XTZ 750 Super Tenere, they were build from '89 to 97, weigh about 200 kg and can carry around 26 ltrs of fuel, 30 if you remove the filler neck, good for 500 to 600 km's of riding, the engine has about 70 hp, and can be lugged down to around 1200 rpm, which is great in deep sand, with lots of weight, or in slippery conditions, rain, mud, snow, etc, more or less same engine used in the dakar bikes, top speed is around 190 kmh, whole bike design is roughly the same as the new Tenere, real nice ones can easily be found in Germany, for little money, stock suspension is shit, like all the Jap bikes of that era, but can be easily modified to current or better than what,s now stock available on most showroom bikes, 25 kg can be lost quick, the wide tank is real nice to lean against riding offroad, but its the original parallel twin design what makes the bike handle the way it does, so if you ride this, you'll understand the new tenere, hmmm super tenere better its a parallel twin, tenere's are single cylinders, this is my bike, which is well travelled and beat to shit, on several continents, i love it, for its character, and also desperately waiting for the T7
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    hookeniggy Good at getting lost

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    Offspring Africa Twin, haha
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  12. hookeniggy

    hookeniggy Good at getting lost

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    Or maybe start on a original Tenere...
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  14. Harry Potter

    Harry Potter Been here awhile

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    Standard answer and a good one is the mighty DR650.
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  15. GrahamD

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    arcgotic Adventurer

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    Imho the XT660Z Tenere was/is the perfect allround allroad travel bike, despite its weight(it's not a hardcore offroad bike!) and 48hp(which is enuff for me, it does everything I want a bike to do)! I really hope and expect the T700 Tenere(not T7, that's the concept bike) to be in the same league with the same Yamaha quality and reliability. Mine's done over 114.000km's without any problems, very reliable and good fuel economy, no oil consumption and lots of fun to ride!
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  19. Lion BR

    Lion BR I'd rather be riding

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    If you will only take paved or gravel roads in Europe at this point, most every motorcycle travel well on gravel. The dl650 would be a great bike, better than the xt660z for long distance pavement. And it will be reliable as well. But there are other options in Europe, isn't there a Honda crossrunner (VFR800)? Or a used Aprilia Caponord? Plenty of options when we talk used bikes and gravel roads at the most. But the DL650 has the reliability...
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    Honda CB500x with Rally raid level3 kit
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