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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by southwade, Jan 17, 2012.
My airhead RT seat is pretty good - Slippery now it's 27 years old and the vinyl has gone hard and shiny but it's still ok to sit on for hours at a time. It does seem like the sort of thing that most manufacturers would have pretty well figured out so it always surprises me when I come across a truly bad one (like my DR350 before I put the Seat Concepts kit on it).
^^^it just makes me wonder if modern bikes are tested as thoroughly as the manufacturers suggest.
they build engines that can run on feces mixed with gasoline, and substitute baby food for synthetic motor oil in a pinch...but can they build a seat that will not make the rider beg for death? i'm still waiting. oh wait, it was that crossbones. it pisses me off that that seat was on a bike that uses bottlecaps for brake pads and has the leaning abilities of the Giza Pyramids. don't get me wrong, it was a fun ride. i just know that we sacrifice our gluteus maximi for no other reason than to appease the bean counters...when i am at this point willing to have $1000 added to the msrp of every new motorcycle in the world if it means a comfortable seat.
My KTM 625 SMC has so many flaws i hate.
The seat is feels like you're sitting on a 2x4, the narrow way.
The vibration is terrible. My wrists and arms are killing me after about 150 miles. (luckily i've long lost feeling in my ass by then)
The stock gas tank is a joke. 1.6 gallons before i have to switch to reserve.
No, Its not made by Kawasaki, dumbass.
LC4 oil changes are stupid. Its a fucking oil change, why does it have to be so complicated?
I realize most of those flaws can be fixed, but its more money than i have to spend at the moment.
And somehow, every time I find a corner, ANY corner. I immediately forgive every single flaw that bike has. The bike is just unreal. Everything about it is just telepathic. The steering, the brakes, the throttle response. I love it.
Add removal of left fairing, gas tank, batter cover, skid plate, glove box, several hoses connecting tanks, and a couple screens. I think I could put a top end in my dirt bike in less time.
This is a very interesting thread. 245 posts from people who own bikes with annoying faults. 245. And only 2 posts are about flaws on Harley Davidson motorcycles. I would have thought that there would have been more, being as how they are held in such low regard by many. I guess there are a lot of happy Harley Davidson owners out there.
Or people who can't tolerate annoying faults and therefore post about them on the net don't buy Harleys in the first place?
i was think the same thimg that no one buy harleys are 99% are crap
deserves a quote
did you not see my post earlier about the seat on the crossbones?
I was speaking from experience btw; I used to own British cars, but I had drunk the kool-aid, so to speak. And then there comes a point where you know so much about what fails and how to fix it and which is the best version of each part that you're committed.
Then I discovered modern Japanese cars.
You have to ride them not trailer them to figure out annoying faults.
The things I would consider annoying faults - Foot-forward riding position, noise, lack of HP, vibration, engine heat, noise, etc., are either the reasons why owners purchased the things in the first place, or self-inflicted modifications (noise.)
The Harley owners may prefer to bitch about them on their own marque specific forums, for whatever reason.
I have 7 motorcycles in my garage. One is a '99' Sportster. It is the least needy, easiest to maintain, cheapest to insure, biggest grin to ride, and likely the most dependable bike in the fleet. I say "likely most dependable" because it's up against a Honda CRF230, and they don't get any tougher than that. Haters gotta hate I guess.
if it is a street bike and has a chain drive it should have a centerstand as standard equiptment and not a $130 - $200 accessory.
as for the lack of harley posts i think most are bought by people that take them to the dealer to get fixed.
the pirate crowd no longer comes to ADV after darla clued them in to how we roll.
Love my FZ6...but the automatic cam chain tensioner is rather annoying. Only have 7,500 miles, and already had to buy a replacement since it makes an annoying click at lower RPMs.
I think you only end up with a Harley if what you want is a Harley, in which case, any shortcomings are accepted as a necessary part of the package. For most of us, if you own a Yamahonda, you'd be just as happy to own a Kawazuki if it does the job better, so we've got somewhere to go to and something to compare to.
I mentioned owning British cars earlier. I've also got a 1984 BMW R65 I've owned since 1987. Like my British cars, I've got a long list of "stuff" I know about that bike. Just off the top of my head, to start it on a cold morning requires exactly the right technique, the ignition coils are a known weak point and I've replaced the stator, rotor and the hall effect pickup in the distributor (aka bean can; despite being a car distributor, it doesn't distribute anything on an Airhead).
And yet it doesn't occur to me to hate these flaws; they're simply things I've learnt along the way owning a bike which, on balance, I really like and which is quite unlike anything else available.
I did, I did and I concur. That was one of the two posts, even though it was mostly positive. My ass loves my crossbones. For example, after spending much of the last two years recovering from a badly broken leg (3 surgeries, hip replaced and knee to follow) I can still put in 8 to 10 hour days on that bike with out any complaints. Sorry for the hijack.
it was just an observation...