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Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by davidji, Nov 18, 2012.
Wish I could have lamented the same way over several of my previous rides...
love my zx6r, it is a pleasure to ride and I am perfectly comfy riding on it all day.
Ninja 250, I really thought it would be great to save on gas so I bought one new in 03, peppy motor, light and handled well in traffic, felt like I was riding on a 4x4 and after a half hour I would have visions of riding it into a borrow pit and just leaving it.
Ducati 996, hands down one of the best looking bikes ever made, I had the chance to rock one at the track, and I couldnt wait to get off it, very boring powerwband IMO and I really didnt like the over the front wheel feeling.
Honda CBX 6 cyl motorcycle, my god that thing was freaky to ride, every corner I just waited for it to fall over uhggg.
Gonna add the Z1000 to that list, powerplant was fine, but the bike itself felt very unstable to me.
I get 46-48 all day long on the freeway. In the mountains, the mpg moves into the low-mid 50's.
04 Hayabusa here, and as BrookTrout indicated in his well constructed expose, it's crap. So stable and planted feeling that at 120 mph you could almost fall asleep. I want to feel like I'm going fast when I'm winding it up like that, not loafing along, barely into the throttle. Boring bike.
(mine has ranged between about 45 mpg and 55 mpg in all kinds of conditions, bone stock bike)
That's astonishing...... I never thought about it as being practical
Had an 05 ZZR1200 that felt just like that at speed, but upper 30's was the best I got in MPG. Below 100 mph, the bike was a bore, and needed speed to feel right. tp
Hard to believe we are talking about the same bike. Yup, good thing there are other bikes to choose from. Glad they worked for you guys!
I wanted a bike that was more touring capable than my XJR1300, that I've come to find is not very good at touring (but I love her dearl). It had to be a middle weight bike, good MPGs, reasonable power, etc. I took a long-ish trip on my XT660X (motard, thumper) and I really liked it, a wee bit more power would had been welcome but the thing that I never could stop thinking about were the tires, I don't want spoke wheels on long trips, I want tubeless tires that can be easily plugged.
I was leaning into an ADV Tourer. Cue in the bike that has been called a wannabe motard or a cheap Multistrada, the Kawasaki Versys 650.
Let the banghead begin
I was worried about the power, I wanted thumper like low end torks. It has got them, it packs a surprising punch for an itty bitty 650cc twin.
The suspension is surprisingly good! In fact, it does have better suspension than much more expensive bikes! Yep, it really doesn't suffer from a severe case of budgetitits like most bikes on that price range.
Weather protection is actually good for the minimalistic fairings, and the small windscreen actually works. I really have no clue as to how it works, but it does
It's comfy, but that was to be expected.
The MPGs and fuel range are extraordinary.
And that's it...
It's not the least bit engaging to ride. But the handling... The handling. I got it because everybody praised its handling... Uhm, no. It's light and flickable compared to a double deck bus, my XJR1300 that is 75lbs heavier handles better.
01 Superhawk. Looked great, sounded great, uncomfortable, horrible mpg and a tiny tank. It also quite frankly was no fun unless you were flogging it and risking a ticket everywhere you rode.
K1300GT - on paper it sounds pretty nice, but on the highway it gets blown around like a sail which blows my mind with how heavy a bike it is, the engine has all the character of a Honda Accord's, and the electronic fun police is too eager to step in and "help out".
Yeah, but the funny thing is: That's on my "what bike do you want today" list.
I'm replying to the guy whose Versys handles poorly. Sorry, quoting a post isn't working for me today.
I sharpened the handling of my Versys by raising the fork tubes in the triple clamp.
I'm going to have new tires put on it, wash it and then I'll place an ad to sell it. I'm not going to try to make the Versys something it isn't, been there, done that, it always ends up with a lot of wasted money and bike being sold at a loss. If the new tires make it more enjoyable I'll keep it, but I really doubt it. Whenever I get a new bike I just can't get my hands off it, I come up with excuses to go riding or just stay in the garage looking at it, the new toy sindrome. With the Versys I had got over the new toy phase before I even got home from the dealership, not in a buyer remorse kind of way, or in a "I hate this bike" way, just in an "I'm bored" way.
09 Buell 1125CR. Purchased at the "fire sale" in October 2009 a few days after HD shut Buell down. Fit me much better than my Uly, amazing handling and blistering acceleration. OTOH I found I was NOT comfortable with using that much power in many situations. Also 35 MPG vs 50 MPG on the Uly, vibration at speed, and more heat than the air cooled motor.
I hit the point where I was either going to invest in an EBR ECM (for cooler running and less vibes), plus shop and parts books, plus some farkling/mods, or sell it and concentrate on the Uly. I sold it after ~1 year.
I've occasionally missed it (ESPECIALLY when the crank on my Uly went out 6 months after I'd sold the CR), but the Uly is much better all-around bike for my needs.
Twin cam softail with the balanced motor. Always had rubber mounts. Love how low you can sit in a softail and wanted to see what it was like to ride. Hard to give up a rubber mount being so smooth at highway speeds. The balanced twin cam softail motor is good up to 50 or so, but out on the highway at 65 to 85, the balancers cant keep up and the vibes just did not do it for me.
Just got back from a 3 week, 7500 mile trip on my ZRX1100, and I think I have to put it in this category. It's quick, it handles well, it's reasonably comfortable, it gets decent gas mileage, and it looks great. But I never really "clicked" with it. It's a riot around town but if you ride it like it wants to be ridden you'll lose your license before long. Honestly, there were many times on the trip where I was wishing I could swap the ZRX for my DR350. I'll be doing some post-trip cleaning and maintenance on it and putting it up for sale soon. I really wanted to love this bike, and I do like it, but I have way more fun on my little bitty DR, and the fun I have doesn't endanger my license too badly.
I had the same problem with a Heritage. Looked soo good but was bad on the highway. I was told once that Harley left that higher speed vibration in intentionally to give the old rigid mount feeling. My Dyna custom at 60-80 is much smoother/better and no tingly fingers, either.
FWIW, the ex picked out the Heritage, and it was gone a few weeks after the divorce.
Bought a first year ZX14 hoping to rekindle my Jap bike fetish. Should have bought a gixxer instead.
The ZX14 was fun if you like hanging on to a rocket but it got old like me.
It had a problem with throttle snatch. It was heavy.
It came electronically limited to smooth the low range torque hit. Big mistake. The bike was gutless under six grand.
Even with Ivan's timing retard eliminator, which gave back some torque, and an aftermarket exhaust, it was still not the torque beast it should have been.
No complaints over six grand though. Wham!
Still after a while - the novelty rubs off. It was not much fun around town. Too much work.
One man's opinion.
I've got two.
Last street bike was a 2010 Versys. The dealer let me take a quick test ride and I thought "Wow, I really like this thing". But about half way home I could tell I had maybe made a mistake. After a riding season of ownership I had decided it wasn't the right bike for me and I sold it with 9k miles. I just never really bonded with it. A lot of reviews say the motor is fun and interesting but that was never the feeling I got. To me the engine was always a bit too busy and vibey and pretty boring. If the Versys had an SV650 motor in the Kawasaki chassis I think I would have been a happy camper.
The other bike is my current one....a Yamaha WR250R. While the bike does do some things really well, like tight offroad trails, it lags behind in other areas. For one, it's under powered. It's not the peak HP numbers that are the problem, it's how the engine makes it's power. It's all upper midrange and top end. You have to rev the WR like it's a 125 two stroke to get anywhere. Fall off the "pipe" and you're just dead in the water. I don't always want to be bouncing off the rev limiter when I want to cruise down the trail. My last 250 was a Honda XR250. That engine is all bottom end.....come up to a rock or ledge that you want to pop over an you just blip the throttle. The XR's engine fits my riding style better. The WR's suspension is pretty poor out of the box too.
your wrong about the 2008-2010 duke 690 suspension,,,,,the S/M and the duke share the same fully adjustable suspension, front and rear,,, only the the wheels , plastic , and exhaust are different.
The Ackro F/I map from KTM cured any fueling issues.
Once your are in the mountains on the twisty roads,,,the seat is exactly right .
the KTM accessory windshield makes a Huge difference in comfort level
After 5 yrs of riding the Duke,,,, I'll trade it for a KLR when I turn in my Man Card