Bintelli Scooters?

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by KennyT, Nov 4, 2012.

  1. KennyT

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    Hello all. Perhaps you are aware, I am aggressively pursuing my own dealership in or around Naperville, Illinois. I have posted about this, and will repost links at the bottom of this for those looking to catch up...
    I recently was contacted by a company out of Florida name Bintelli Scooters. Has anyone heard of them?
    I assume they are typical Chinese bikes, distributed out of a Florida based company.
    I have read plenty about the low quality of Chinese bikes, but that alone won't rule it out for me or my dealership.
    I would love to sell Genuines, Vespas, Kymcos, or Aprilias, and continue to look into those. Honestly, those generally look for more seasoned dealerships with very deep pockets...
    I am still in the planning stages, and realize there are many challenges that lay ahead, so we don't need to rehash those...
    But I am interested in all posibilities. So any info/thoughts on Bintelli would be appreciated!

    Thanks!
    Ken

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  2. redhandmoto

    redhandmoto Been here awhile

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    Ken, you may want to post your Bintelli and other China-scoot questions at scootdawg.com as well.

    Many members there work with and ride Chinese marques; most agree that some chinese manufacturers are superior to others. Znen is often said to be the best; Znen scoots, however, are handled in the US by several different distrubutors and a given model is often sold under a variety of names.

    The industry article at http://www.powersportsbusiness.com/...looks-to-take-stigma-out-of-chinese-scooters/ reports that the Bintelli people are using Znen-made machines as platforms, and will be providing "real" distributor support. The Bintelli enterprise is just now getting off the ground.

    Another brand to consider might be SYM, an established and very-well regarded Taiwanese line (comparable to Kymco), now being handled by Alliance Powersports after a disasterous series of events with their previous US distributor. Sym dealerships are now being established and re-established, roughly from west-to-east, across the US: http://alliancepowersports.com/
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  3. KennyT

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    Hi Red Hand. Thanks! I have posted it on ScootDawg, as well as the Kymcoforum...
    I appreciate your detailed response, and know a bit about Sym. I will inquire about them...
    I appreciated Bintelli reaching out to me (or my page). Made me optimistic we could get something done!
    Thanks again!
    Ken
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  4. KennyT

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    Wow! What a great link and article, RedHand. I like good products at a good price, and from this, Bintelli fits the bill!
    Thanks again!
    Ken
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  5. redhandmoto

    redhandmoto Been here awhile

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    Ken, your Naperville idea has made for an extreeemely interesting series of threads and posts.

    Scooter sites regularly see wistful musings about how schweet it would be to have a scoot shop or maybe just a repair business. Those always provoke tsunami of warnings and caveats about small-business start-ups, and those cautions are, of course, all true.

    You, however, are already an established business presence in the area; are undoubtedly conversant with the commercial finance community, its requirements, customs & practices, and probably know most of the players. You talk about investor strategy and the possibilty of leasing-out part of the structure; you note the rich potential of the local college. So you're talkin' the talk and walkin' the walk.

    More power to ya, Bud; watching with the greatest of interest.
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  6. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    I don't mean to be a downer but when yamaha is still trying to flog 2009 scooter for 2100 bucks out the door where I live how much could you make on selling them? I can't remember if it was cyclecanada mag or the other canadain motorcycle mag 2 month ago did a 4 page art about sell and owner a dealership and where there money was made. Shops make it on service ,loans and gear. If you really want to open shop up consider the old but working idea of starting a shop where you fix bikes, let guys rent the tools , bench etc for 25 buck on hour. a place to put you bike for 35 bucks a month. For independants it s an idea that has worked. If I can store my bike and after work run down work on it and go for a ride it's a winner. 50 people storing they bike at a shop for 10 months a year at 35 buck is 17500 . Can't not see that paying for the rent etc. Down side you not going to be open 9 to 5 . rather 2 to 10 thrus to sunday. Why those hours? Most people want there bike then. have to time to work on them. anyway this is a idea I ve seen working in more then one place . Unless you re a Japan dealer it's had for you to make cash. If you have to spend 15 more hours on china bike to make it work right ? is it worth the time? cfmoto dealership might be the best way to go.
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  7. KennyT

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    Hi Full Metal and Red Hand. Thanks!
    Red Hand, not walking the walk yet, but hoping to start soon!
    Full metal, I am open to all suggestions regarding business opportunities for my shop, so no downer at all.
    I like the idea of Bintelli from what I have read. I continue to be a information sponge.
    I want this to happen!
    Thanks again,
    Ken
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  8. JerryH

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    The problem with Chinese scooters is that they are ALL such poor quality, and fall apart quickly. Yes they are cheap to buy, and that is what attracts people to them, but if you sell someone a Chinese scooter, and they come back with a problem in 2 weeks, you either have to fix it or wind up with a bad reputation. Chinese scooters have very little in the way of a warranty (if it breaks in half, and some actually have, both halves are yours) it is almost impossible to get the distributor to honor warranty claims.

    I agree that you need a huge budget to sell Japanese brands (you can't just sell their scooters, you have to sell, and service, their whole line) Vespas, and probably Aprilia. But SYM, Genuine, Kymco, and Adley, which also makes a Lambretta badged scooter should be within reach. I would also consider Tomos.

    I would put a lot of effort into building a reputation as a scooter only dealer, with good customer service. Sell new and used, but sell quality.

    Starting as an independent shop, commonly known around here as an indy shop, is not a bad idea. You could start buying and selling used scooters. I would probably not rent tools. I would definitely not rent space in your shop for others to work on their own bikes, that is very risky from a liability perspective. If you have the room, providing a winter storage area is a good idea, just make sure you have the insurance to cover customers bikes. Prepping customers scooters for storage also sounds like a good idea.

    In the motor vehicle business, reputation is everything. I do not know of a Japanese "powersports" dealer that has a good reputation, and I have not been satisfied with a single one I have dealt with. A small cozy shop that caters specifically to the scooter crowd and treats them right will quickly develop a good reputation.
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  9. Forde

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    bintelli are not a real brand of scooter. not sure if chinese or taiwanese but clearly one of those knock off non brand deals. one of the scoots on their site looks like the Znen bws replica, maybe they supply them

    sym and kymco are proper brands with a good rep.
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  10. KennyT

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    Hi Jerry and Forde. Thanks for stopping in!
    I understand the image of Chinese bikes. I own a Kymco, and will continue to pursue them, as well as SYM...
    That being said, everything I have read about Bintelli is extremely positive. Apparently made at ZNEN in China, supposedly a good factory. Again, the more I read, the more I like.
    Bikes look cool, and I have heard the finish is fairly top notch. I have also heard great things about the distributor standing behind their product and their dealers. They also have a two year limited warranty (how limited?)...
    One of my concerns is they have no mid sized bikes, the biggest is a 150 cc (which again I hear great things about!)
    Anyway, I have applied as a potential dealer on their site. I want to take a step forward. I believe my business philosophies are in line with those running Bintelli. I am not, however, ruling anything out at this point...
    Thanks again for the feedback!
    Ken

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  11. Forde

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    one thing is even if the bikes are awesome people arent going to be dying to buy a bike that they have never heard of
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  12. InlineSkate

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    I would personally buy one of Bintelli's scooters and put some miles on it yourself before deciding to run with it.

    Znen may make high quality scooters relative to other chinese brands, but that doesn't mean they're going to stand up reliably compared to American, European, or Japanese/Taiwanese manufactures.

    The couple thousand it may cost for the scooter is certainly worth it in order to prevent a tarnished reputation and thousands in lost sales.
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    An excellent idea!:clap
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    May want to ping a couple of the outfits that they list on their dealer site that are far away from ya. One of them (Scoot About) runs a rental outfit & shop, with sales as a sideline. Of note I don't see them listed as selling Bintelli on their site, but if they've been renting them out at all they'd have a good idea of the overall durability of the units. This can be an important factor in knowing what to charge of course. I've seen folks get into chinese scoots who wind up putting too much time effort and $ into warranty work. Sure these folks appear to be doing them right in many regards; however if you check scootdawg you'll find there are lots of things that go wrong in addition to the carbs & belts. Simple but annoying stuff like starter switches etc. This can add up & erode a bottom line rather rapidly. Not say'n they aren't good of course, I dont' own one, but it's best to go in with your eyes wide open on this kind of thing.:norton
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  15. KennyT

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    Hi Gec, Inline, Forde, and Tromper. Thanks!
    I was thinking the same thing about buying one! I don't believe I could spend 2K. I think their highest MSRPs at 1600 (although with shipping and extras I would be there).
    The largest they go is a 150 cc, which is too close to my 125 agility. I probably could use a small one for fun, and it would be even cheaper...
    A great idea!
    Ken
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  16. KennyT

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    Although, I could use one of these Red Vibes, a 150 cc, but with a retro look much different than my Agility...
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    or go with another color like this one in powder blue...
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    They MSRP at $1599. I could get a feel for the bike, the response from the public, and if they fell apart (which I doubt, plus they have a warranty), would only be out $1599. Plus I would have another scoot! Could it be a tax write off? :)
    Thanks again guys!
    Ken
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  17. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    Yep I aggree used make more cash per sale then new does. Selling membership to you store like one does here and offering gear at 40 percent mark up instead is a nice idea. Really that is one way to go. Far to many local shops can't sell at the same price on the online guys. When I can but a nolan n90 helment for 210 and the local shops are going to want 350 for it. Volume can always make up for discounting . Selling new bikes is never the major place to make money. Here a online dealer mag: http://www.dealernews.com/dealernews . This is worth taking lots of time to look through. Since you a usa also know there tons of programs both state and Federal for loans , grants , etc. Often there is training to be found for free and most importation mentor-ship through them with someone whom been in the business. NEver ever go into business without at least 1 years worth of funds to make it . Even then 80% fail more then once before they get it right. Even understanding the old who , what , where and why is often forgetton. Why buy? Who is buying? where? , when? Even tv ads that hock people through been silly etc can make you will off. Eg wa, vern fock insurances ads. watch them online if you can. Selling stuff in ads is ether shotgun or riffled approach. one goes hail scooters and hope for interventionism . the other Knows and shot the customer off there bike and into your store for a new bike and some band aids. Even beyond this you go how your marage? you kids? after spending months away from them for a year or 2 can it handle it? Really with at least 4 computer sims saying 2030 there is world wide depression is it worth it? If this cost you everything you hold dear would you give up?
    Seeing the building you might be able to turn it into a place to live , work and sublet to other shops . Even sub letting to artist etc. You know the dumbest thing is I sound like a successful business man but just read far to much. So I do know this shit , do know what you want is hard to do. So is it going to be your lover or your noose that hangs you if it fails? Ether way grab something in life by the balls and enjoy the ride of your life . You just hope the bull doesn't kill you if you fail off. My take on life is at the end you just never want to be the one saying I could have ,I wish, Remember that woman. I thought it was to risky. I l freely admite often living like that fock everything up but include leaving me certain health issues but Fock it , it was a grand ride will it lasted. at lest I live life, I do mean live , nor just went through the motions like far to many do. Woops I mistook everyone reading this for psychologist but even he says he s leaving me if I don't shape up.
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  18. Cortez

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    Some of them cost no more then $100..
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  19. KennyT

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    Hi Full Metal and Cortez. Thanks!
    Scooters selling for less then $100? Where? I will buy them all!
    Full metal, I like your comment. I understand the troubles of owning a small business. As a Realtor, I own a small business. Yes, it put strain on my marriage (we are divorcing). I still love my children more than anything in this world, and despite the marriage break up, I wouldn't change my path. Certainly, my eyes are open to the challenges!
    Cortez, thanks for stopping in! You are the man! You have inspired me on my journey, as your posts were some of the first that I found when doing research as to which bike to buy. Notice my Kymco Agility. You had one, and have said you miss it...
    The power of the internet is amazing. I know Cortez is from Eastern Europe, and Full Metal is not from the US. That I can get advice from around the world blows me away...
    Thanks again!
    Ken
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  20. Cortez

    Cortez BAZINGA!

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    Hey!

    You're most welcome.. glad I could help.. too bad that some advice
    sometimes gets "translated" the wrong way.

    Glad you like the little Agility, need to get some 12 or 13gr Dr Pulley
    sliders if you haven't already for a nice transformation. :evil

    As for the $100 scoots..
    That's the info I got from a local importer of some crappy scoots
    a couple years back when I was working in a scoot shop.

    He said that for orders greater then 500 he got the entry level models
    for more or less $100! The "expensive" ones (with 12" wheels and
    bigger all together) were up to $250.

    When a cople of them broke, he would send us the whole new scoot
    to take parts from, wasn't worth having spare parts and messing around
    with that. :D
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